[Tango-L] Piazzolla in Buenos Aires Milongas

OK, be specific. In what milongas is Piazzolla played for dancing tango and who are the DJs playing it? I have NEVER heard Piazzolla played at a milonga in Buenos Aires. Maybe I'm going to the wrong milongas!! (Ha!!) Besides, you can't dance tango to Piazzolla. (Piazzolla said so himself). Noth

[Tango-L] Piazzolla is not played at Traditional Milongas

- Original Message > From: Steve Littler > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Fw: Astor Piazzolla & 50 Essential Tangos for $1.99 > starting tonight > > Well, I bought it and for me, I DON'T see it as essential for > traditional dancers. The early stuff with Gardel is scratchy. The > Piazolla is

Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo Milonguero

I agree this is not nuevo milonguero. It is 2 women dancing together and changing roles. Ignoring that, it otherwise looks like tango milonguero, the tango danced in the milongas of Buenos Aires. However, same sex couples dancing together are extremely rare in the over 100 traditional milongas i

Re: [Tango-L] N.U.E.V.O.

- Original Message > From: Ecsedy Áron > > I am always fascinated by the insatiable need of Western societies to > regualte things as if by decree. I believe this is one of the biggest > obstacles in learning how to behave, in tango and in life. The way the > general perception see la

[Tango-L] Milonga Rules, Nazism, and the Preservation of Tango Culture

- Original Message > > A/ Tango Milonga > > It is a social activity consisting of > > Meeting and dancing with friends old and new > Seeking a tango trance > Lanes that progress around the room; no zig-zagging around the middle > Smaller 2-3 step sequences and rock steps > Moderate stri

[Tango-L] No place left to dance

- Original Message > From: Larry Richelli > To: tango-l@mit.edu > Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 12:19:50 PM > >Traditional > tango dancers do not mind to have separated milongas, as most of them > consider that Nuevo dancers disrupt their >dancing. > > This is good. I just wish we could h

[Tango-L] Truth in Tango Advertising & Tango Detente

- Original Message > From: Vince Bagusauskas > Subject: [Tango-L] Subject: Re: No place left to dance > > > The point being that "alternative music" implies nuevo moves, that terrifies > some traditionalist people and thus causes much debate. > > However, if the term "alternative mil

Re: [Tango-L] "Truth" in tango advertising

- Original Message > From: Jack Dylan > > From: Vince Bagusauskas > > > > What city do you dance in? I would like to google/youtube it to see what > > styles of tango are danced at the milongas you attend and then report back. > > > > I live in an Asian city so I'm not far from yo

Re: [Tango-L] Tanguera/o occupation?

- Original Message > > So - what broadly speaking - is your occupation (in the case of IT nerds > and doctors, then friend of a friend is quite acceptable). > I'm a biologist/statistician by day. I live in a university community of 100,000 so most of our tango students are university

[Tango-L] Tango Politcal Correctness gone wrong

- Original Message > From: Valerie Dark > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] No Nuevo (as a style) - according to the Naveiras > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Alexis Cousein wrote: > > The only way in which "styles" would really become mechanisms for > > speciation would be forced segregation,

[Tango-L] Nuevo Theory vs Practice: Creating a Social Nuevo

- Original Message > From: Alexis Cousein > Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 10:19:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tango Political Correctness gone wrong > > RonTango wrote: > > There are tango dancers outside Argentina who would like to have a milonga > environmen

Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo Theory vs Practice: Creating a Social Nuevo

- Original Message > From: Brian Dunn > Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 4:03:28 AM > Alex wrote: > ... there's a fine line between objecting to style and > objecting to rudeness. > I know a few couples who're determined to feel "disrupted", and it's then > simply a > self-fulfilling prophe

[Tango-L] Tango Tower of Babel - Different Language, Different Dance

It is apparent there is a Tower of Babel (or is it 'Tower of Babble'?) in the tango world. Words like 'connection' and 'social dancing' have different meanings for different people. The problem stems in part from two groups with very different perceptions laying claim to the same name 'tango'.

Re: [Tango-L] SA- Nuevo Theory vs Practice: Creating a Social

- Original Message > From: "jb34...@att.net" > > The separation in BsAs you describe below is by the (average,median) age of > the > dancers. I am not sure following that path is in the best interest of tango. > Jan > "Not in the best interest of tango"? How about a rationale behind

Re: [Tango-L] SA- Nuevo Theory vs Practice: Creating a Social

- Original Message > From: Tony Rathburn > > Jack wrote: > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Buenos Aires already solved > > > this problem by allowing for the separation of traditional dancers > > > and nuevo dancers? > > Actually, in Buenos Aires... currently... no... they

Re: [Tango-L] Review of Practica X

Shahrukh, Thanks you for a most informative review of Practica X. It would be helpful if more dancers provided similar reviews of tango events. One question, though. I've heard several times that during this holiday period porten~os are often out of town on vacation or, if not, they are spendi

Re: [Tango-L] More on close embrace festivals

- Original Message > From: Vince Bagusauskas > > With the talk of some dancers spoiling the close embrace San Diego tango > festival, I thought this edited response to a question I had on the > advertised close embrace Phoenix tango festival is worthwhile relating: > > "... there

[Tango-L] Urban Myth: The 'Line' of Dance (in Buenos Aires)

Although it serves as a linguistic convenience, technically there is rarely a 'line of dance' in Buenos Aires milongas, in the sense that couples are progressing in a linear manner, moving forward counterclockwise in concentric rings around the floor. First of all, despite some verbiage allocate

Re: [Tango-L] Urban Myth line of dance (in BsAs)

Boogie, Re-read carefully what I wrote. Everything you say below agrees with what I said. My point was that the progression is not linear, as in walking forward in a straight line, but rather a forward progressing spiral, counterclockwise with respect to the progression on the floor, but accomp

Re: [Tango-L] Aerial Tango- young people dancing comme il faut

- Original Message > From: Alberto Gesualdi > To: tango-l@mit.edu > Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 11:52:55 AM > Subject: [Tango-L] Aerial Tango- young people dancing comme il faut > > When discussing how young people could dance or not tango , there are events > that make myself to change

Re: [Tango-L] differing views of tango evolution

Here we go again. Perhaps Tango-L has been quiet for so many months because people are tired of arguing without resolution, so they keep their opinions separate and to themselves (or shared only with those who agree). This suggests Chico is correct is asserting there are irreconcilable differenc

Re: [Tango-L] Why are you dancing tango if you don't like tango?

- Original Message > From: Tom Stermitz > When I DJ, it is this conversion process > that I'm trying to create. By > good musical choices, the emotional > energy of the crowd can be > massaged and molded. For tango-experienced > people, this is possible > with tango music, but t

Re: [Tango-L] Why are you dancing tango if you don't like tango?

- Original Message > From: RonTango > I cannot see > how non-tango music gets everybody into the right energy. I would say that it > is > more likely that non-tango music gets people into the wrong energy. > Catering to the people who dislike tango > music cre

Re: [Tango-L] Tango's Cutural Heritage

- Original Message > From: Jack Dylan > To: Tango-L@mit.edu > Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 6:02:02 AM > Subject: [Tango-L] Tango's Cutural Heritage > But has anyone wondered just what they intend to preserve and safeguard > and just how > they intend to do this? The Tango that is danced i

Re: [Tango-L] Bachatango et al.

- Original Message > From: Trini y Sean (PATangoS) > To: Tango-L > Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 3:00:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Bachatango et al. > > I'll be honest. There are times when people do ballroom to ballroom music > at a milonga and I laugh, which probably says more about my

[Tango-L] The Time before Tango

- Original Message > From: Trini y Sean (PATangoS) > To: Tango-L > Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:09:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Bachatango et al. > > ... Somehow back in the sands > of time, someone decided to include vals and milongas along with tangos. > We might never know who star

Re: [Tango-L] The Time before Tango

- Original Message > From: Jack Dylan > To: Tango-L > Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 11:46:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The Time before Tango > > From: RonTango >> In Buenos Aires, >> the birthplace of tango, near the end of the 19th >> century, the

[Tango-L] The Basic Elements of Tango

In addressing the level of workshops at the recent Chicago Tango Week (http://chicagotangoweek.org/schedule.pdf): “Intermediate: You have been taking classes regularly at least once a week and going to milongas regularly at least once a week for at least a year. You have also attended one or m

Re: [Tango-L] The single best milonga environment in the US!

It sounds like an enchanting environment. However, the questions I ask when I travel and look for places to dance tango are: (1) What kind of music is played? If the music is not suitable for dancing tango (Piazzolla, most Pugliese after 1960, modern tango orchestras that lose the rhythm in pla

[Tango-L] Nuevo Displaces Traditional Tango in Berlin

> i have just returned from 3 months in berlin, just google tangoberlin > one word. recommendations - if you like nuevo you are in hogs heaven, > if you prefer traditional tango then consider not going, it is > extremely thin on the ground to the point of being non-existent. the > only dedicate

Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace

- Original Message > From: meaning of life > > have you all ever considered that some people enjoy dancing a more open >embrace? enjoy seeing each others faces as they dance? enjoy sliding their >bodies past each other? enjoy the larger figures? enjoy the more dramatic >dance >per

Re: [Tango-L] Line of dance and respect

- Original Message > From: "hbboog...@aol.com" > …. Any dancer can slow up or stop the line of dance regardless > of what style he’s dancing however some styles are danced to specifically > disrupt the line of dance. As a social dancer I try to always respect the > line of danc

Re: [Tango-L] Statistical Tango

How about: Danced 80% of the time: - Walking - Back Ochos - Ocho Cortado - Turns (various types) Danced 20% of the time: - Forward ocho - Boleos - Sacadas Danced 0% of the time: - Volcadas - Colgadas - Barridas That's the way the milongueros I've seen in Buenos Aires dance. (OK, maybe a barrid

[Tango-L] The best dancers are the ones who dance the most

- Original Message > From: Charles Roques > To: "Tango-L@mit.edu List" > Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 1:21:06 PM > Subject: [Tango-L] youtube tango > ... The best dancers, at least in terms of technical facility, are usually >the ones who dance the most. That is a basic truism of all

[Tango-L] Navigation (was: Using the social dance as THE model)

- Original Message > From: Ming Mar > > Mario writes: > >In this video we see two very experienced and capable > >social dancers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbUai1Lv5-0 > I find it interesting that after he does 6-7-8 of the > basic, the next step is a back step. I also find it

[Tango-L] Definition of Tango

- Original Message > From: Anton Stanley > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] tango to rap > > At the risk covering ancient ground, what is it about a dance that makes it > look like tango? > > Anton I read an interesting blog post (Tango Voice) on this issue recently. The author (apparently

[Tango-L] Music: Beat, Energy, Emotion & the Embrace

- Original Message > From: Charles Roques > > . one of the principal reasons that contributes to many dancers > resorting >to non-tango music for dancing: it ts easier to hear the beat in other music >or modern "electro-pop" tango. That's interesting, especially since those

[Tango-L] Colgadas milongueras & other non-entities

It is possible to learn 'colgadas milongueras' and 'volcadas milongueras' in tango workshops. This would appear to be the kiss of legitimacy - after all, if it is taught at a tango festival, it must be real. The problem is this. The term 'milonguera' implies that it is used by milongueros. Milo

Re: [Tango-L] Colgadas milongueras & other non-entities

- Original Message > From: Tom Stermitz > I have to disagree with you Ron. I use volcadas ALL the time. > Calecitas frequently; Colgadas sometimes; even sandwiches. > On Apr 22, 2011, at 3:27 AM, RonTango wrote: > > > Milongueros don't use colgadas

Re: [Tango-L] Heads up

- Original Message > From: Alexis Cousein > > On 22/06/2011 18:22, hbboog...@aol.com wrote: > > > So here is my question, how can you dance with balance, on axis and with > > good posture if your head is looking down at the floor? > > Because you're dancing with the weight mostly o

Re: [Tango-L] Pugliese, sound

There are 2 things (at least) that need to exist before playing Pugliese from the 50s. First, the men need to know the pieces (very few do) in order to deal with the uneven tempo. Second the men need to know how to dance to an uneven tempo, with pauses, but still having fluidity in their dances.