Following Steve's thoughts,
I have deepen more into that, and to my surprise have found that I can not
really define what people understand under the term "Musicality".
I can not say what it is. I know that dancing supposed to be with music. (
And I believe I myself dance musically too ) But on a l
Just for the record.., here's my response to a private email.
Excluding the sender.
Good morning...
I understand there's a whole lot more than the one point I wanted to
make. That of silent counts being most important..
I'm not a musician as such, you're right. Do I need to be? Fr
Huck Kennedy wrote in part:
For those of you of a certain age in countries
where the Beatles were hugely popular, do you remember
how so many people growing up at the time knew every
single one of their songs intimately, so much so that the
music was practically running through our veins?
...
Well
Hi Igor,
For me musicality as it applies to dancing requires the synchronicity of the
movements of the dancers to the accents or to the tempo of the music. There are
of course, many different ways to do this so in my opinion, musicality cannot
be too narrowly defined. Moving in concert with
I have a simple description. Admittedly, you can find more complicated
explanations:
Musicality is when Movement Energy Corresponds to Musical Energy.
Energy is still a fuzzy, undefined concept, but it includes various
aspects of movement such as speed, force, size, suspension,
acceleration
Hey,
On 11/30/07, Floyd Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not a musician as such, you're right. Do I need to be? Freud did
Here's Mark Sabatella's intro on his jazz primer:
"For the purposes of this primer, we are all musicians. Some of us may
be performing musicians, while most of us ar
The tango embrace is intimate so a follower can tell a lot about a leader, are
they nervous, are they angry, tired, have bad indigestion, etc. One of the
things they can tell is if the leader is actually listening to and enjoying the
music. To me that is musicality. I don't think lessons help a
You can really learn what musicality isn't when you listen to the types of
songs DJ's outside of Argentina
juxtapose during a tanda. Part of musicality is the finely tuned blending of
one song practically melting seamlessly into the next so that the leads can
move with the same rhythm and maint
To me, musicality is like punctuation in a sentence. I feel
commas, semicolons, and sometimes excalmation points. There
are some figures are good for commas, others for semicolons,
and some for excalmation points. A nice sexy pose, such as a
leg wraparound is wonderful for an excalmation point. An
Victor Bennetts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> The tango embrace is intimate so a follower can tell a lot
> about a leader, [...]
> One of the things they can tell is if the leader is actually
> listening to and enjoying the music. To me that is musicality.
> I don't think lessons help all that
Huck Kennedy: "You will be seriously handicapped unless you always know
exactly which note, phrase, etc. is coming next in the song."
You are "seriously handicapped", if you can not dance tango ( musically ! )
to an unfamiliar song !
However, your advice about the CDs is excellent. Frankly, I do
Igor Polk writes:
> Huck Kennedy: "You will be seriously handicapped unless
> you always know exactly which note, phrase, etc. is coming
> next in the song."
>
> You are "seriously handicapped", if you can not dance
> tango ( musically ! ) to an unfamiliar song !
Reading is fundamental. I d
To Huck, who wrote:
"..you can't dance the song nearly as musically as you could if you did
know the music intimately."
No. I belive a musical piece has enough hints what is going on. Which are
obvious for the trained ear.
- First of all the next bar is similar to the previous. You will get the
fe
Igor Polk writes:
> Because they are slow: you have plenty of time to
> react and to interpret. IF YOU KNOW HOW !
"If you know how." Cute. :-) This totally
misses the point I was making, that no matter how
well one can process and react to unfamiliar music
(which means yes, you do know how,
mu·si·cal·i·ty
1. The quality or condition of being musical.
2. Musical sensitivity or talent.
I suppose through listening to a lot of Tango one would pick up on the
predictably of it and apply that to new Tangos.
I agree that one would dance better if you knew the song or have the aptitu
Huck wrote:
> don't waste your money on so-called "musicality classes."
Indeed. Musicality classes are about as much use as gorgeousicality classes or
tallicality classes ;)
If you have even a modicum of feeling for the music, you're disqualified as a
musicality class student.
And as a musica
1)In the tango, the man keeps the woman guessing, but
the music keeps the man guessing. There is no fun in
dancing day in day out to the same music: this
eventually leads to choreography, the opposite of
tango, which is based on improvisation. Anybody who
insists that the dancers dance better if th
Huck,
"If you know how" is not "cute".
It is serious!
To know dozens of ways to interpret unfamiliar melody and rhythm pattern in
your body and infuse it in your partner so that it feels totally in unison
with unfamiliar music is a very serious skill. Art, I would say.
Fortunately, none of these w
Some people can stare at a painting for 10 years and not get it.
Others only need 5 seconds. I hope you get this.
BA
On 12/5/07, Igor Polk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To Huck, who wrote:
> "..you can't dance the song nearly as musically as you could if you did
> know the music intimately."
>
> N
To Huck, Igor, Chris, Bruno, Andy and others,
I strongly underline Igor's "A musical piece has enough hints what is
going on" and I love Andy's ideal milonga with only unknown music. I
disagree completely with Huck's "We want to know precisely everything
that is coming, so we can dance with as
hi Koos,
For the sake of mis-using my words (not your fault, I was ambiguous by
choice) I actually have to say don't agree that much with Igor's post
and I found offensive the way he replied. I honestly believe we must
have very different notions of what musicality and fully immersing
oneself into
> unconscious, straight from the
> heart without thinking musicality you can dance with if
> you know the song intimately.
musicality, straight from the heart, thank you, Huck. As a follower it is
wonderful to feel the intimacy with the music AND the embrace AND to feel the
intimacy of the lead
Bruno Afonso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I find interesting people here saying that classes on musicality are
> worthless when even top musicians in schools like berklee school of
> music have them from others. And those are soon to be professional
> musicians. But hey, I'm sure a tango aficiona
OK, I wasn't gonna but I'm gonna jump in.
1.
There is a WORLD of difference between XYZ "musicality" class and ABC
"musicality" class.
Some people need 2 + 2 = 4 because they do not understand basic rhythm
and phrases in music. Don't mock that That's just mean, people.
They probably hav
Hello Tango Aficionados,
There seems to be a consensus that musicality is matching movement to music
much as scatting is matching vocal sound to music.? Indeed, I believe that
dancing in general is much like scatting.
Does one need to be familiar with the music to scat?? Not really, since musi
Hi Huck,
I have taken only one tango "musicality" class. It went over different
composers/eras, as well how they differently convey different feelings
and emotions, even using the same song. Then we explored a bit how
different dance approaches will produce different emotions, such as
creating ten
I agree, I would much rather dance with a man who knows a song by heart!
Because he
has internalized the music, not only is he freer to actually dance and
spontaneously
express himself with more variety, depth of feeling and sensuality, but he is
also
freer and better prepared to pay some quali
> Perhaps rhetorical questions.
> What is average number of years you critics of musicality classes have been
> dancing tango? Number of hours you have spent listening to tango?
I doubt that numbers matter. Not the numbers of years and not the
number of classes. I guess it is all individual.
please, no flame war!
why do some believe that you are only "doing tango" if it is done to "tango
music"?
first, what is "tango music"? does it have to be pre 50's music from argentina
that includes a bandeon? what if the music comes from another country? what if
it is "post 50's"? what if i
> when the Michigan Tango Club plays a tanda of popular music with a
> rhythm conducive to tango steps, the beginner leaders all of a sudden
> get major amounts of musicality.
> So, it's a great exercise in learning tango.
No. It is a great exercise in learning non-tango. And a deception to any
both answers in the proximate causation definition
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> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:47:00 +
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> there are identifiable moves, customs and behaviors. it is these things
> that make it tango, not necessarily the music.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proximate_causation
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--- meaning of life <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i think that tango is about spirit and intent, there are
> identifiable moves, customs and behaviors. it is these
> things that make it tango, not necessarily the music.
Suppose there is no music at all? Just you and your
partner, the lights dimm
On 12/7/07, Tom English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Some people have the aptitude to be able to memorize things. Myself, I
> don't have that ability to a great extent. However, I do feel the emotion
> between each beat and THAT is worth much more than memorizing a song! A
> leader definitely
Some people have the aptitude to be able to memorize things. Myself, I don't
have that ability to a great extent. However, I do feel the emotion between
each beat and THAT is worth much more than memorizing a song! A leader
definitely does not have to memorize a song, or know the orchestra, t
Oops. I meant it was a Pugliese (not Piazzola) class. - t
--- "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- meaning of life <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > i think that tango is about spirit and intent, there
> are
> > identifiable moves, customs and behaviors. it is these
> >
> I won't dance a tanda until I identify the orchestra and decide if it
> is one to which I enjoy dancing.
> I decided to test myself at a milonga yesterday. I sat at the table
> with pen and paper, making a note of the orchestra for each tanda.
Pen and paper, Janis???
I'm surprised that knowi
Chris, UK wrote:
> I'm surprised that knowing the name of the orchestra is either necessary
> or sufficient to decide whether you'll enjoy the music.
And I can pride myself into making even the most staunch of traditionalist
dance to *more than one* orchestra in a tanda (even though most would
h
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