Here are some thoughts that I picked up from my BsAs teacher and ladies in the
traditional milongas in Buenos Aires recently; they certainly give much food
for thought and are provocative in making us re-evaluate our dancing.
1. The man & the woman need to be able to dance independently in
Over the years, I have heard these pointers mentioned by various teachers
except for the first one:
"1.The man & the woman need to be able to dance independently in order to
achieve true connection."
I'm wondering what is meant by dancing independently?
Thanks,
Patricia
http://www.torontoargentin
n to the music. It can also bestow in the man an attitude
of "whatever he says goes". None of these contributes to good connection.
Pat
- Original Message -
From: "Michael"
To: "Pat Petronio" ;
Cc: "Michael"
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010
Those are my feelings as well. And to achieve this, one needs to develop
technical skills, from which, good connection ensues.
Gordon
- Original Message -
From: Bob Youngson
Date: Monday, November 8, 2010 6:56 am
Subject: [Tango-L] Some thoughts on connection
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Mimi Santapa (Buenos Aires) states that both partners should be able to
execute any step and figure on their own (we are not talking about
colgadas and volcadas obviously) and not depend on their partner. That
is how would define dancing independently. I have heard that from a few
other teacher
Hi fellow tangueros,
I find the following point made by Bob most thought-provoking of all:
> 4. To achieve connection in tango, the man & the woman need to dance
> as equals.
Although I fully subscribe to the traditional roles in this dance (the man
proposes, etc.), the terminology of "lea
;following." It's how you define them
that matters.
Michael
I danced Argentine Tango --with the Argentines
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From: "Pat Petronio"
To:
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Some thoughts on connection
> Hi fellow tangueros,
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From: Pat Petronio
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 11:14 PM
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Subject: [Tango-L] Some thoughts on connection
Words are powerful in influencing behaviour.
"Leading" & "following" can create a different mindset to &
If there is only "inviting" and "responding" it's a whole different ballgame.
With respect, this is all so "foreign tango!"
There is a leader who plays music with the body of the woman, during which the
woman can express her feelings for the music and the connection.
Yes, whatever he says does g
Well said Pat!
AFAIK, in Spanish the roles are simply called "hombre" and "mujer",
regardless of the gender of the dancers.
I usually avoid saying "leading" and "following" for exactly the
reasons you mention.
I will make a mental note from now on to use "invite" and "respond"
when explaining in E
Leading and following is something we do from the moment we’re born, it’s
in our nature. In tango no matter what you name it someone is leading and
someone is following. The question is who’s doing what? The man leads the
woman into a figure and then he follows her movement. That’s right the
Kazachenko
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:46 AM
To: Pat Petronio
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Some thoughts on connection
I usually avoid saying "leading" and "following" for exactly the
reasons you mention.
___
> From: Pat Petronio petro...@adam.com.au
> "Leading" & "following" can create a different mindset to "inviting" &
>"responding", >
I'm uncomfortable with both of these terminologies. 'Leading and following'
seems
to imply that there's a concious lead by the man, which the lady recognises an
I believe there is a point where one over analyzes vocabulary: lead,
mark, follow, etc.
In my opinion (having done ballroom and argentine tango), I find that
both dances have lead and follow, but the technique for execution is
different. In essence, if a man stands still, with no muscle action
Jack you gave a perfect explanation of lead and follow.
this is the lead:..."The simplest example is the walk. It seems that I
merely walk forward, with my initial movement coming from the torso"
this is the follow.."and the lady walks backward with her initial
movement"
Brilliant
Gordon excellent analogy I agree with you 100%
David
In a message dated 11/15/2010 4:06:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
gerlebac...@fsu.edu writes:
I believe there is a point where one over analyzes vocabulary: lead,
mark, follow, etc.
In my opinion (having done ballroom and argentine tango)
It seems to me that the posts lately regarding the 4th of the 5 statements I
made in my initial email: "To achieve connection in tango, the man & the woman
need to dance as equals", has developed into a constructive discussion on
leading/following. Nevertheless, the other 4 points that I made s
Bob
I think what you’re trying to say is you should never dance over the woman’
s level of skill. For those that think the codes of tango are old and
unimportant here is a perfect example of why tandas are played. When you
invite
a woman to dance the first song is intended to keep it simple
--- On Mon, 11/15/10, Gordon Erlebacher wrote:
> What one perceives as simultaneous could be one behind the
> other, as long as the time separation between the two is
> sufficiently low. The best female tango dancers respond
> to indications from the leader "almost" instantaneously.
> Just as lig
--- On Mon, 11/15/10, Jack Dylan wrote:
> The man 'Inviting' seems to imply that the lady then
> has a choice to either accept or decline, which, surely,
> isn't the case.
Well, in response to the invitation, she has to do something,
true enough -- it's not much of a dance if she'll just stand
Right and wrong are such absolutes. Almost nothing is "wrong" in tango.
However, consider
the following two scenarios:
1) the one you describe: the lady does not respond in the way you
anticipated and you work with it.
However, she only has 1 year experience.
2) same scenario, with a woman how
> From: Sandhill Crane
>
> --- On Mon, 11/15/10, Jack Dylan wrote:
>
> > The man 'Inviting' seems to imply that the lady then
> > has a choice to either accept or decline, which, surely,
> > isn't the case.
>
> Well, in response to the invitation, she has to do something,
> true enough -- it
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