Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread Marie-Jose Montpetit
In my presentation in Dallas I had suggested adding RTP (and even HTTP) because as both Mirja and Christian mention some 'applications' are requesting functionalities that are got given elsewhere. Marie-José Montpetit ma...@mjmontpetit.com mari...@mit.edu On Jun 3, 2015, at 20:44, Christian Hui

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread Michael Welzl
nono. read the charter. it says that we’ll: "1) Define a set of Transport Services, identifying the services provided by existing IETF protocols and congestion control mechanisms. As a starting point, the working group will consider services used between two endpoints.” This is bottom-up, and

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread Mohamed Oulmahdi
I think that speaking specifically about any protocol in this document will not be in the sens of an "abstract" interface for the Transport layer, because abstraction means that application will no longer be aware of who or what Transport services are really offered. But in the same time, this abst

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread Michael Welzl
Okay, I promised I won't insist, and I don't... still contributing to the tech debate here: In line - essentially, I'm suggesting RTP-over-TAPS here. BTW and just to be clear, I agree about mentioning RTP in the draft and I agree that it provides important functions! The question is whether RTP

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread Christian Huitema
> Actually I think I don't agree here. Yes, it's tied closer to the application > but I > think for taps this is a (good) example where the interface is at a much > higher > level and therefore might have a value to discuss it. However... (see below) I don't quite agree either. RTP is an extrem

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread Michael Welzl
i'm fine with all that... Sent from my iPhone > On 3. juni 2015, at 17:58, Mirja Kühlewind > wrote: > > Hi all, > >> On 03.06.2015 17:04, Brian Trammell wrote: >> On 03 Jun 2015, at 16:48, go...@erg.abdn.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I know this has been discussed before, but o

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread Mirja Kühlewind
Hi all, On 03.06.2015 17:04, Brian Trammell wrote: On 03 Jun 2015, at 16:48, go...@erg.abdn.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I know this has been discussed before, but only briefly. I have two arguments that I'd like to bring forward towards removing RTP (/RTCP) from draft-ietf-taps-transports-04 and the d

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread Jon Crowcroft
+1 Don't ignore, but dont actively work on... On 3 Jun 2015 11:04, "Brian Trammell" wrote: > > > On 03 Jun 2015, at 16:48, go...@erg.abdn.ac.uk wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I know this has been discussed before, but only briefly. I have two > >> arguments that I'd like to bring forward towards r

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread Brian Trammell
> On 03 Jun 2015, at 16:48, go...@erg.abdn.ac.uk wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I know this has been discussed before, but only briefly. I have two >> arguments that I'd like to bring forward towards removing RTP (/RTCP) from >> draft-ietf-taps-transports-04 and the documents that will follow it. I >> un

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread gorry
> Hi, > > I know this has been discussed before, but only briefly. I have two > arguments that I'd like to bring forward towards removing RTP (/RTCP) from > draft-ietf-taps-transports-04 and the documents that will follow it. I > understand that it's a non-obvious question whether RTP should be > c

[Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread Michael Welzl
Hi, I know this has been discussed before, but only briefly. I have two arguments that I'd like to bring forward towards removing RTP (/RTCP) from draft-ietf-taps-transports-04 and the documents that will follow it. I understand that it's a non-obvious question whether RTP should be considered