Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-08 Thread Mirja Kühlewind
Hi Joe, the document defines one more term: Transport Service Instance: an arrangement of transport protocols with a selected set of features and configuration parameters that implements a single transport service, e.g. a protocol stack (RTP over UDP). This is to describe

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-05 Thread Helge Backhaus
Am 04.06.2015 um 23:20 schrieb Joe Touch: On 6/3/2015 10:45 PM, Marie-Jose Montpetit wrote: In my presentation in Dallas I had suggested adding RTP (and even HTTP) because as both Mirja and Christian mention some 'applications' are requesting functionalities that are got given elsewhere.

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-05 Thread Joe Touch
On 6/5/2015 5:11 AM, Helge Backhaus wrote: Am 04.06.2015 um 23:20 schrieb Joe Touch: ... There are many services built on top of HTTP, at which point HTTP is just another part of what this document calls a transport service. As a result, unless you'll be describing every possible stack

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-05 Thread Mohamed Oulmahdi
I agree, the discussion should be better structured ... On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Joe Touch to...@isi.edu wrote: On 6/5/2015 12:53 PM, Mohamed Oulmahdi wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Joe Touch to...@isi.edu mailto:to...@isi.edu wrote: On 6/3/2015 2:26 PM,

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-05 Thread Joe Touch
On 6/5/2015 12:53 PM, Mohamed Oulmahdi wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Joe Touch to...@isi.edu mailto:to...@isi.edu wrote: On 6/3/2015 2:26 PM, Mohamed Oulmahdi wrote: I think that speaking specifically about any protocol in this document will not be in the

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-05 Thread Mohamed Oulmahdi
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Joe Touch to...@isi.edu wrote: On 6/3/2015 2:26 PM, Mohamed Oulmahdi wrote: I think that speaking specifically about any protocol in this document will not be in the sens of an abstract interface for the Transport layer, because abstraction means that

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-04 Thread Michael Welzl
Well... it's a typical engineering trade-off decision to make... On 04 Jun 2015, at 07:45, Marie-Jose Montpetit mari...@mit.edu wrote: In my presentation in Dallas I had suggested adding RTP (and even HTTP) because as both Mirja and Christian mention some 'applications' are requesting

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-04 Thread Brian Trammell
Sounds to me like we know we want to cover some of the unique features/components of RTP without having to go to the trouble of wedging a full description of the protocol (as in the other section) into the doc, a task complicated by the fact that RTP assumes a more fluid separation of

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread Michael Welzl
nono. read the charter. it says that we’ll: 1) Define a set of Transport Services, identifying the services provided by existing IETF protocols and congestion control mechanisms. As a starting point, the working group will consider services used between two endpoints.” This is bottom-up, and

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread gorry
Hi, I know this has been discussed before, but only briefly. I have two arguments that I'd like to bring forward towards removing RTP (/RTCP) from draft-ietf-taps-transports-04 and the documents that will follow it. I understand that it's a non-obvious question whether RTP should be

[Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread Michael Welzl
Hi, I know this has been discussed before, but only briefly. I have two arguments that I'd like to bring forward towards removing RTP (/RTCP) from draft-ietf-taps-transports-04 and the documents that will follow it. I understand that it's a non-obvious question whether RTP should be considered

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread Brian Trammell
On 03 Jun 2015, at 16:48, go...@erg.abdn.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I know this has been discussed before, but only briefly. I have two arguments that I'd like to bring forward towards removing RTP (/RTCP) from draft-ietf-taps-transports-04 and the documents that will follow it. I understand that

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread Mirja Kühlewind
Hi all, On 03.06.2015 17:04, Brian Trammell wrote: On 03 Jun 2015, at 16:48, go...@erg.abdn.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I know this has been discussed before, but only briefly. I have two arguments that I'd like to bring forward towards removing RTP (/RTCP) from draft-ietf-taps-transports-04 and the

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-03 Thread Michael Welzl
i'm fine with all that... Sent from my iPhone On 3. juni 2015, at 17:58, Mirja Kühlewind mirja.kuehlew...@tik.ee.ethz.ch wrote: Hi all, On 03.06.2015 17:04, Brian Trammell wrote: On 03 Jun 2015, at 16:48, go...@erg.abdn.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I know this has been discussed before,