Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Vilius, On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:38:07 +0200GMT (3-11-2005, 8:38 +0200, where I live), you wrote: V> This bothered me so much since yearly days of 2.x. I don't like this V> behaviour too. If I have choosen to use Trash then I don't need another V> copy of deleted message in INBOX or other fol

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Clive, On 03-11-2005 08:45, you [CT] wrote in : CT> Can you imagine a newcomer to TB, frustrated at the prog's CT> non-standard way of seeing deleted messages stumbling across the CT> solution you suggest? Difficult enough with an up-to-date help file CT> but as it stands... I am not sure what yo

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Clive Taylor
Best of all worlds: Include the following in View Mode setup: Fast search: [x] IMAP deleted messages This way, you could make a view mode and a tab if you want to. Peter This is not a personal comment (it would be if you were a developer!) but your suggestion summarises the problem with

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Vilius Šumskas
Dwight A Corrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> rašė: Even with POP, if you delete a message it is not deleted. Even though it goes in the trash, it is still also in the folder it was deleted from, until the folder is compressed. This bothered me so much since yearly days of 2.x. I don't like this behavio

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Dwight, On 02-11-2005 23:27, you [DAC] wrote in : DAC> I recall participating in some conversation wishing that deleted DAC> messages were displayed, as in Mulberry. Perhaps another DAC> possibility would be a folder tab which showed deleted messages? Best of all worlds: Include the following in

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 11:50:21 PM, Martin Schoch wrote: > Hi Randy > On Wednesday, November 2, 2005 11:33:28 PM you wrote: >> I would much prefer deleted messages to appear crossed out until I >> expunge the folder. > I don't like such a "delete" function. If you delete a message it i

Re: ongoing TB issues - bugs or features?

2005-11-02 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Mark! On Wednesday, November 02, 2005, 7:23 PM, you wrote: > 3. i sort messages by date descending and read oldest to newest > (bottom up). the 'follow previous' toolbar icon loops to the oldest > message in the list once the last new message has been read. to my > way of thinking, TB shoul

Re: a.htm (was: 3.62.09 is now available)

2005-11-02 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Alexander, On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:29:30 +0100 GMT (03/11/2005, 03:29 +0700 GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK> I know, but don't you find it irritating that for a couple of days now ASK> every daily build becomes a final thats released to the public immediately? ASK> Going wrong with confide

ongoing TB issues - bugs or features?

2005-11-02 Thread mark davidson
these may not be considered 'bugs' on all fronts. i nevertheless feel they are worth mentioning. 1. TB ignores the 'default for mailto: urls' account assignment and instead creates a message in the last used account. to the best of my knowledge, this has never worked properly. 2. CTRL-DEL

Re: IMAP uses too much bandwidth

2005-11-02 Thread Curtis
Vilius Ðumskas wrote: I experimented with The Bat! all day and even half a night, and it seems that The Bat!'s IMAP uses too much bandwidth during syncs and scans. I left TB running for 3 hours. During this time period I recieved 62MB of data from my mail server and only 2 messages (1

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 4:33:28 PM, Randy wrote: > I would much prefer deleted messages to appear crossed out until I > expunge the folder. I agree, but the tab seemed like a possible substitute until then, and perhaps might be easier to implement. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wic

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Randy
Hello. Here's what Dwight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 at 2:27:05 PM: > I recall participating in some conversation wishing that deleted > messages were displayed, as in Mulberry. Perhaps another possibility > would be a folder tab which showed deleted messages? I

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Michael Acklin
Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 11:48:26 AM, (Internet Time - @783) you wrote: Hello 9Val, 9> Hi All, 9> The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available from: 9> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi 9> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi 9> [-] a.htm

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 4:27:05 PM, Dwight A Corrin wrote: > Perhaps another possibility would be a folder tab which showed > deleted messages? I guess I mean message list window tab. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail

Re: Splash screen background

2005-11-02 Thread NetVicious
miércoles, 2 nov 2005 at 23:00, it seems you wrote: > If this screen background should be synchronized with the time when > TheBat! is started - over here this doesn't work. It's a random background. If I remember correctly there are three differents backgrounds. -- /\/

IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Dwight A Corrin
I recall participating in some conversation wishing that deleted messages were displayed, as in Mulberry. Perhaps another possibility would be a folder tab which showed deleted messages? -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Usin

Re: IMAP & "Connect To" windows with cable connection

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello Greg, > After upgrading to v3.62.05 I now get a "Connect To" window for a dial > up connection when I have selected 'Options | Network & Admin | Local > Area Network or manual connection' when focus is on one of my IMAP > accounts. > Yes I do have a dial up connection, but I use it only as a

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Jon Polish
RW> Maybe we should all do it ;-) Agreed, but it will not be a strong selling point for others wanting to come to TB from another client. Besides, re-creating customizations every time there is a problem is a pain. RW> then I'm RW> lucky because I have it although I'm not sure I didn't customise i

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello Alexander, >> I dont understand it... "silently ignore file absence." But >> userdic.tlx is actually there... > MSI is a Microsoft product... It did not answer my question... or my silent thought :) -- Vili Current beta is 3.62.0

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Ethan J. Mings
Hello Jon, Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 1:57:24 PM, you wrote: JP> Is it just my system? With the 3.62 series, TB seems slower when going JP> from folder to folder. Starting TB shows some delay and flicker on JP> startup. Finally, opening and closing windows (address book, editor, JP> search, etc

Re: a.htm (was: 3.62.09 is now available)

2005-11-02 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Thomas Fernandez & everyone else, on 02-Nov-2005 at 18:02 you (Thomas Fernandez) wrote: ASK>> Not the easiest solution for the average user, and I certainly don't ASK>> go thru the hassle of manually creating files in order to get my ASK>> email program to work! > They just forgot to delet

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Greg Strong & everyone else, on 02-Nov-2005 at 19:09 you (Greg Strong) wrote: > How about a rar file download with either a direct link or on > http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ or both? Since 3.62.05 the daily builds are not betas, but finals. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neu

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Richard! On Wednesday, November 02, 2005, 2:20 PM, you wrote: MB>> This is the way in which the bug is fixed. At least, that's my MB>> understanding of 9Val's words: > Thanks for your translation. Guess we will see in the next > iteration. Yes. My fingers are crossed. This bug has

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Vili & everyone else, on 02-Nov-2005 at 19:48 you (Vili) wrote: > I dont understand it... "silently ignore file absence." But > userdic.tlx is actually there... MSI is a Microsoft product... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Fun is like insurance; the

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello Henk, >> The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available from: >> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi >> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi > ... > No more AV's with this version. Vili advised me to delete tbuser.def > So I did! > I can switch

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Richard Newman
Hello Mary, Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 3:09:19 PM, you wrote: MB> This is the way in which the bug is fixed. At least, that's my MB> understanding of 9Val's words: Thanks for your translation. Guess we will see in the next iteration. -- Best regards, Richard Newman

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Richard! On Wednesday, November 02, 2005, 1:51 PM, you wrote: > I thought he meant "live" or stay and not leave or disappear or > always be overwritten. He did. The key word here is "subsequent," in the sense of "coming after version 3.62.10." He was saying you would have to restore your

IMAP uses too much bandwidth

2005-11-02 Thread Vilius Šumskas
Hello TBBeta, I experimented with The Bat! all day and even half a night, and it seems that The Bat!'s IMAP uses too much bandwidth during syncs and scans. I left TB running for 3 hours. During this time period I recieved 62MB of data from my mail server and only 2 messages (1kb and 1.5

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Jon, On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 you wrote in JP> That won't work for me since the "All" tab was JP> introduced some betas ago. Of course, sorry about that. JP> I did track down the problem and deleted the "tbuser.DEF" file. There have been a couple of posts talking of deleting that file solving

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread MAU
Hello Jon, > I cannot remember, but wasn't an option present to enable/disable > message tabs under view. I think this was present earlier. If not, > does this option exist elsewhere? View/Message List Tabs. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.10 on Wi

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Richard Newman
Hello Marek, Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 2:40:31 PM, you wrote: MM> please read 9Val's attention in announcement. I did and it wasn't clear to me that this wasn't fixed when it said "All subsequent versions will leave userdic.tlx to live forever." I thought he meant "live" or stay and not leave

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Wednesday, November 2, 2005, Richard Newman wrote: > Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 12:48:26 PM, you wrote: 9>> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi 9>> [-] userdic.tlx overwritten >userdic.tlx was overwritten again. please read 9Val's attention in annou

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Jon Polish
On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 2:31:02 PM, Richard Wakeford wrote: RW> Options/Preferences/Messages/Tabs and untick all boxes is what you want RW> I think. Thanks Richard. That won't work for me since the "All" tab was introduced some betas ago. I did track down the problem and deleted the "tb

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Richard Newman
Hello 9Val, Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 12:48:26 PM, you wrote: 9> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi 9> [-] userdic.tlx overwritten userdic.tlx was overwritten again. -- Best regards, Richard Newman ---

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Jon, On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 you wrote in JP> I cannot remember, but wasn't an option present to enable/disable JP> message tabs under view. I think this was present earlier. If not, JP> does this option exist elsewhere? Options/Preferences/Messages/Tabs and untick all boxes is what you want I

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Henk M. de Bruijn
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, at 19:47:13 [GMT +0100] (which was 19:47 where I live) Henk de Bruijn wrote: >> The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available from: >> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi >> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi > ... > No more A

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Jon Polish
On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 12:48:26 PM, 9Val wrote: 9> Hi All, 9> The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available from: 9> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi 9> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi __

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello 9Val, > The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available from: > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi > [-] a.htm created > [-] userdic.tlx overwritten > ATTENTION: Unfortunately MSI doesn't allow to silen

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Henk M. de Bruijn
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, at 19:48:26 [GMT +0200] (which was 18:48 where I live) 9val wrote: > The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available from: > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi ... No more AV's with this ver

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Jon Polish
On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 12:48:26 PM, 9Val wrote: 9> Hi All, 9> The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available from: 9> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi 9> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi __

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Mary Bull
Hello 9Val! On Wednesday, November 02, 2005, 11:48 AM, you wrote: > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi Up and running well. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.62.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 __

The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread 9Val
Hi All, The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi [-] a.htm created [-] userdic.tlx overwritten ATTENTION: Unfortunately MSI doesn't allow to silently ignore fil

a.htm (was: 3.62.09 is now available)

2005-11-02 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Alexander, On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:50:22 +0100 GMT (02/11/2005, 22:50 +0700 GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: >> Not really, I always work with user priviliges. Now I created a a.htm >> file and gave it full access right s for the user account. ASK> Not the easiest solution for the average user

Re: BT System Signup

2005-11-02 Thread Robert D.
Recently, Vili squawked: >> I keep trying to get logged in on BT. I created the new account but >> never get past: >> >> APPLICATION ERROR #12 > ... 50% of us or more have this problem :(( indeed. I should play at gambling then because if there is a 50% chance, it will happen to me ! > Go to

Re: BT System Signup

2005-11-02 Thread Robert D.
Recently, Mary Bull squawked: > On Wednesday, November 02, 2005, 8:12 AM, you wrote: >> I keep trying to get logged in on BT. I created the new account but >> never get past: APPLICATION ERROR #12 >> This account is protected. You are not allowed to access this until >> the account protection

Re: 3.62.09 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Raymund Tump & everyone else, on 01-Nov-2005 at 23:14 you (Raymund Tump) wrote: >> Confirmed. The user must have administrative rights to use 3.62.09. > Not really, I always work with user priviliges. Now I created a a.htm > file and gave it full access right s for the user account. Not t

Re[2]: 3.62.09 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello Henk, >>> I read in TBUDL that there are more users experiencing these AV's. >> Could you send me your tbuser.def from your TB! directory in private? >> I would give it a try, if that causes your problems. > Thanks, look in you mailbox. I already found the cause of he AVs and answered your

Re: 3.62.09 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Henk M. de Bruijn
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, at 14:02:03 [GMT +0100] (which was 14:02 where I live) Vili wrote: >> I read in TBUDL that there are more users experiencing these AV's. > Could you send me your tbuser.def from your TB! directory in private? > I would give it a try, if that causes your problems. Thanks, look

Re: BT System Signup

2005-11-02 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Robert! On Wednesday, November 02, 2005, 8:12 AM, you wrote: > I keep trying to get logged in on BT. I created the new account but > never get past: > > APPLICATION ERROR #12 > This account is protected. > You are not allowed to access this until the account protection is lifted. > > Th

Re: BT System Signup

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello Robert, > I keep trying to get logged in on BT. I created the new account but > never get past: > > APPLICATION ERROR #12 ... 50% of us or more have this problem :(( I cannot login there, but I could create a BT account, that I am utilizing a lot :)) Go to e.g.: https://www.ritlabs.com/b

Re: Large message (was:: 3.62.09 is now available)

2005-11-02 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thomas, On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:57:22 +0700 GMT (02/11/2005, 08:57 +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: ST>> [+] POP URL is now stated in the notification about a large message ST>> arrived into POP mailbox TF> And it works! Thank you. TF> The mail despatcher opens in the background thou

Re: About release

2005-11-02 Thread MAU
Hello Thomas, >>> Yes. It's an idea, but it would be worth looking how other clients >>> accomplish that. I don't think they add transparent headers. > M>> How do you know if they are transparent? ;-) > > Good point. ;-) > Aside of saying what you think, you also have to think what you say :) --

Re: About release

2005-11-02 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MAU, On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:38:15 +0100 GMT (02/11/2005, 17:38 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: >> Yes. It's an idea, but it would be worth looking how other clients >> accomplish that. I don't think they add transparent headers. M> How do you know if they are transparent? ;-) Good point. ;-) --

BT System Signup

2005-11-02 Thread Robert D.
I keep trying to get logged in on BT. I created the new account but never get past: APPLICATION ERROR #12 This account is protected. You are not allowed to access this until the account protection is lifted. Then I ask for password confirmation email. I get it, follow the link, end up at page t

Re: About release

2005-11-02 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Vili, On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:47:42 +0100 GMT (02/11/2005, 17:47 +0700 GMT), Vili wrote: V> Hello MAU, >> No, I'm not suggesting or pointing a workaround. I am saying that a >> filter with a lot of ORs can be easily changed with an editor to a >> filter with alternatives. I am not suggesting

Re[2]: DateTime problems in combination with Daylight Saving

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello Robert, >> I retrieved some message from a mailing list archive today. Some were >> missing in my mailbox, and some were duplicates. When looking closely at >> the duplicates I noticed something strange: the Date/Time of these messages >> is 2 hours different. > This are even stranger: > The

Re: DateTime problems in combination with Daylight Saving

2005-11-02 Thread Robert van der Hulst
Group On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, at 13:50:32 [GMT +0100] (which was 13:50 where I live) you wrote about: 'DateTime problems in combination with Daylight Saving' > I retrieved some message from a mailing list archive today. Some were > missing in my mailbox, and some were duplicates. When looking closely

Re[2]: 3.62.09 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello Henk, > I read in TBUDL that there are more users experiencing these AV's. Could you send me your tbuser.def from your TB! directory in private? I would give it a try, if that causes your problems. -- Vili The Bat 3.62.08 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 1 __

DateTime problems in combination with Daylight Saving

2005-11-02 Thread Robert van der Hulst
Group, I am experiencing a strange problem. I retrieved some message from a mailing list archive today. Some were missing in my mailbox, and some were duplicates. When looking closely at the duplicates I noticed something strange: the Date/Time of these messages is 2 hours different. We have cha

Common Folders

2005-11-02 Thread Stuart Hemming
I'm sure that this has come up before, but I can't find the messages. Is there any way I can set the active account to be used when replying to messages when I'm in a common folder at the folder level? Or do I have to set at folder-level template and use %ACCOUNT to set it? And if I've got a folde

Re: About release

2005-11-02 Thread MAU
Hello Stefan, M>>> This was just let's say a 'concept suggestion' for Stephan which could M>>> be implemented transparently to the user. > >> Oh, I thought you wanted the user to use that macro. > > Macro is just another option for better flexibility (e.g. adding it to AB > templates). As you know

Re[2]: About release

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello MAU, >> No that's OK, thanks for the offer. It would just teach me how to use >> another workaround, and that was not the point of my message. The >> point was that workarounds shouldn't be necessary. As long as they >> are, I cannot recommend TB. > No, I'm not suggesting or pointing a worka

Re: About release

2005-11-02 Thread MAU
Hello Thomas, > Yes. It's an idea, but it would be worth looking how other clients > accomplish that. I don't think they add transparent headers. How do you know if they are transparent? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.09 on Windows XP 5.1 Servic

Re: About release

2005-11-02 Thread MAU
Hello Thomas, M>> No, I'm just volunteering to do it once, proof the concept and teach you M>> how to do it :) > > No that's OK, thanks for the offer. It would just teach me how to use > another workaround, and that was not the point of my message. The > point was that workarounds shouldn't be nec

Mod: DEAD HORSE (was: About release)

2005-11-02 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Alto, On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 00:20:41 +0100GMT (1-11-2005, 0:20 +0200, where I live), you wrote: AS> So does terrorism. That doesn't mean it's a good thing. Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have in