Hello Paul,
On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:36:51 -0500 GMT (06/02/2006, 23:36 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:
PVN After uninstalling TB perform a registry search on [The Bat!] and be
PVN prepared for an eye opener.
I haven't tested it. But I can imagine that's because it's not
freeware, so if people
2/7/2006 5:09 AM
Hi Greg,
On 2/6/2006 Greg Strong wrote:
GS I still get the same error message on installation from the MSI file
GS when I change my data drive from 'X' to 'W'. See attached 'PNG' file.
GS The MSI has to be picking up the old mail partition drive from
GS somewhere in the
Hallo Greg,
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:58:10 -0600GMT (6-2-2006, 5:58 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:
You're definitely misunderstanding me.
Only the registry settings for the account that's used for
uninstalling will be cleaned. For all other accounts the settings will
be kept in the registry.
2/6/2006 7:25 AM
Hi Greg,
On 2/5/2006 Greg Strong wrote:
GS The only logical conclusion is that TB is in other parts of the
GS registry and the TB MSI installer is not as clean as we may believe,
GS or please inform me.
After uninstalling TB perform a registry search on [The Bat!] and be
Hello Roelof,
On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 02:44:19 +0100 GMT (06/02/2006, 08:44 +0700 GMT),
Roelof Otten wrote:
TF I am talking about one Windows account: Admin only.
RO In that case TB uninstalls clean.
That's fine then.
RO Provided that you didn't use a long path of upgrades.
Of course I did. But
Hello Paul,
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:59:20 -0500 GMT (06/02/2006, 10:59 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:
PVN It is a rare program that removes itself completely from the registry.
TF Benchmarking is measuring oneself against the best, not the worst.
PVN Rare is a measure of reality not quality.
2/6/2006 11:34 AM
Hi Thomas,
On 2/6/2006 Thomas Fernandez wrote:
TF Yes. But quality is what we strive for. Hence, we should look at the
TF best and not at the worst and measure ourselves against it.
The only clean uninstalls I've seen in recent history were from
programs that do not write to
Hello Thomas Fernandez everyone else,
on 05-Feb-2006 at 04:04 you (Thomas Fernandez) wrote:
OK. But if you don't work as a limited user but always log in as an
administrator (as is the Windows default), will TB uninstall completely?
I don't know. I never uninstalled TB completely. :-)
--
Hallo Thomas,
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:04:25 +0700GMT (5-2-2006, 4:04 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:
TF OK. But if you don't work as a limited user but always log in as an
TF administrator (as is the Windows default), will TB uninstall
TF completely?
No.
1) The program, will be uninstalled
Hallo Thomas,
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:02:43 +0700GMT (5-2-2006, 4:02 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:
TF True, but are you saying that if you use Add/Remove programs TB will
TF not uninstall everything?
PVN Yes.
TF That's a bad behaviour.
It's a Windows restriction.
1)When both you and your wife
Hello Roelof,
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:42:08 +0100 GMT (05/02/2006, 22:42 +0700 GMT),
Roelof Otten wrote:
TF OK. But if you don't work as a limited user but always log in as an
TF administrator (as is the Windows default), will TB uninstall
TF completely?
RO No.
RO 1) The program, will be
Hello Roelof,
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:12:09 +0100 GMT (05/02/2006, 23:12 +0700 GMT),
Roelof Otten wrote:
TF True, but are you saying that if you use Add/Remove programs TB will
TF not uninstall everything?
PVN Yes.
TF That's a bad behaviour.
RO It's a Windows restriction.
That's clear, I wasn't
Hallo Thomas,
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:30:58 +0700GMT (5-2-2006, 17:30 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:
RO 4) TB registry settings for other accounts (no matter whether they're
ROadmin or restricted rights) that have used TB won't be deleted
RO(That's a no part)
TF Assuming I don't use
2/5/2006 6:16 PM
Hi Thomas,
On 2/4/2006 Thomas Fernandez wrote:
TF That's a bad behaviour. But wait, let me reply to Alexander first
TF before making up my mind.
It is a rare program that removes itself completely from the registry.
For example, Norton's leaves hundreds of entries. Get a good
Hello Roelof,
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:28:42 +0100 GMT (06/02/2006, 05:28 +0700 GMT),
Roelof Otten wrote:
RO 4) TB registry settings for other accounts (no matter whether they're
ROadmin or restricted rights) that have used TB won't be deleted
RO(That's a no part)
TF Assuming I don't use
Hello Paul,
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:17:58 -0500 GMT (06/02/2006, 06:17 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:
TF That's a bad behaviour. But wait, let me reply to Alexander first
TF before making up my mind.
PVN It is a rare program that removes itself completely from the registry.
Benchmarking is
Hallo Thomas,
On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:28:31 +0700GMT (6-2-2006, 2:28 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:
TF I am talking about one Windows account: Admin only.
In that case TB uninstalls clean.
Provided that you didn't use a long path of upgrades.
In the earlier .msi's not everything went as smooth
2/5/2006 10:56 PM
Hi Thomas,
On 2/5/2006 Thomas Fernandez wrote:
PVN It is a rare program that removes itself completely from the registry.
TF Benchmarking is measuring oneself against the best, not the worst.
Rare is a measure of reality not quality.
PVN For example, Norton's leaves hundreds
Hello Mary Bull everyone else,
on 04-Feb-2006 at 00:56 you (Mary Bull) wrote:
This box is on top of the message list. I cannot remove it by
ticking/unticking View/Toolbars/Quick Search.
Can you right-click it?
--
Best regards,
Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981)
Thoughts,
Hello Mary,
Saturday, February 4, 2006, 3:45:15 AM, you wrote:
MB Including msgfinder.def
I don't have that one. You might try to move it into a zip-file or another
directory and restart TB!
--
Best Wishes,
Mark
using
The Bat! Version 3.70.07 Qigong (Beta)
Hello Alexander!
On Saturday, February 04, 2006, 3:14 AM, you wrote:
This box is on top of the message list. I cannot remove it by
ticking/unticking View/Toolbars/Quick Search.
Can you right-click it?
Yes, and I get a context menu:
_
Find nextCtrl
Hello Mark!
On Saturday, February 04, 2006, 4:14 AM, you wrote:
MB Including msgfinder.def
I don't have that one. You might try to move it into a zip-file or another
directory and restart TB!
Will do and report back.
--
Best regards,
Mary
The Bat 3.70.07 Qigong (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1
Hello Mark!
On Saturday, February 04, 2006, 4:14 AM, you wrote:
MB Including msgfinder.def
I don't have that one. You might try to move it into a zip-file or another
directory and restart TB!
Actually, it was mfinder.def. I made a typo by analogy to
msgview.def.
I closed TB!. Renamed
Hello Mary!
On Saturday, February 04, 2006, 5:54 AM, you wrote:
I'm going to try to see if Add/Remove brings up the msi installation
window and try a Repair.
For the record:
Add/Remove says I have The Bat! 3.65.03. The msi Install window went
through its paces when I selected Repair.
This
Hello Mary Bull everyone else,
on 04-Feb-2006 at 12:34 you (Mary Bull) wrote:
But none of these do anything, even if one has typed something into the
box--which *does* get the cursor when one focuses on it and clicks with
the left mouse button.
Try to open regedit and look at this key:
Hello all,
Saturday, February 4, 2006, Mary Bull wrote:
Actually, it was mfinder.def. I made a typo by analogy to
msgview.def.
I closed TB!. Renamed mfinder.def to oldmfinder.def. Closed the
directory and relaunched TB! The unwanted box in the middle of the
message list is still there.
2/4/2006 7:07 AM
Hi Mary,
On 2/4/2006 Mary Bull wrote:
MB All the .def files in TB!'s main directory say they were last modified in
MB March or April of 2005. mfinder.def was last modified on April 4, 2005.
MB So I think these modifications are RitLabs work on the various betas
MB it released
Hello Alexander!
On Saturday, February 04, 2006, 6:02 AM, you wrote:
But none of these do anything, even if one has typed something into
the box--which *does* get the cursor when one focuses on it and
clicks with the left mouse button.
Try to open regedit and look at this key:
Hello Marek!
On Saturday, February 04, 2006, 6:09 AM, you wrote:
remove all .def files except tbuser.def from main directory, these files
were used in 3.50 betaversions and now they are included in exe.
Thanks, Marek.
Note: I do not currently have a tbuser.def.
I can't get the shortcut part
Hello Mary Bull everyone else,
on 04-Feb-2006 at 13:33 you (Mary Bull) wrote:
DockedTo=MsgDock
DockedTo REG_SZ+
Maybe this is the problem? If you replace your + with MsgDock (don't
forget to close TB before you do it), what happens?
PS: if you have regedit open, right-click the
Hello Paul!
On Saturday, February 04, 2006, 6:12 AM, you wrote:
Hold down your [Windows] key and quickly press [f]. This brings up the
find dialog so you can search for [ *.def ] on your hard drive. This
will show all *.def files and their location.
Thanks, Paul. I did indeed find tbuser.DEF
Hello Alexander!
On Saturday, February 04, 2006, 6:46 AM, you wrote:
DockedTo=MsgDock
DockedTo REG_SZ+
Maybe this is the problem? If you replace your + with MsgDock (don't
forget to close TB before you do it), what happens?
Well, I have done this, but it isn't a fair test--I
2/4/2006 8:39 AM
Hi Mary,
On 2/4/2006 Mary Bull wrote:
MB Thanks a mil to everyone--Roelof, Mark, Alexander, Marek, Peter, and
MB Paul! (If I missed anyone, a big thank you also to the forgotten
MB helper.)
For many reasons I keep my mail base on a separate partition with all
of my data
Hello Paul!
On Saturday, February 04, 2006, 7:56 AM, you wrote:
MB Thanks a mil to everyone--Roelof, Mark, Alexander, Marek, Peter, and
MB Paul! (If I missed anyone, a big thank you also to the forgotten
MB helper.)
For many reasons I keep my mail base on a separate partition with all
of my
2/4/2006 10:21 AM
Hi Mary,
On 2/4/2006 Mary Bull wrote:
MB I don't have separate partitions.
A special folder outside of Program Files and My Documents will work.
MB In the worst case, I will uninstall The Bat! after making a backup and
MB setting a system restore point, and then do the fresh
Hello Paul!
On Saturday, February 04, 2006, 9:36 AM, you wrote:
MB I don't have separate partitions.
A special folder outside of Program Files and My Documents will work.
I shall experiment with doing that.
MB For purposes of beta testing, I want to continue to install directly
MB over the
Hello Mary,
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:10:11 -0600 GMT (04/02/2006, 20:10 +0700 GMT),
Mary Bull wrote:
MB I had finally found tbuser.DEF under MAIL--just where Peter and
MB Mark said it would be, but I was too tired to spot it with the
MB caps extension last night.
MB Renaming it solved the problem.
Hello Paul,
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:56:41 -0500 GMT (04/02/2006, 20:56 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:
PVN When a new TB! MSI is released, I do a clean install of TB! by
PVN running the uninstall from Add/Remove Programs and then deleting the
PVN TB! folder under E:\Program Files\. I also clean
2/4/2006 3:55 PM
Hi Thomas,
On 2/4/2006 Thomas Fernandez wrote:
TF Hello Paul,
TF On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:56:41 -0500 GMT (04/02/2006, 20:56 +0700 GMT),
TF Paul Van Noord wrote:
PVN When a new TB! MSI is released, I do a clean install of TB! by
PVN running the uninstall from Add/Remove
Hello Thomas Fernandez everyone else,
on 04-Feb-2006 at 20:40 you (Thomas Fernandez) wrote:
True, but are you saying that if you use Add/Remove programs TB will not
uninstall everything?
If you're not working with an administrative account in your normal
everyday computer usage you can't
Hello Paul,
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:55:26 -0500 GMT (05/02/2006, 03:55 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:
TF True, but are you saying that if you use Add/Remove programs TB will
TF not uninstall everything?
PVN Yes.
That's a bad behaviour. But wait, let me reply to Alexander first
before making
Hello Alexander,
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:31:28 +0100 GMT (05/02/2006, 06:31 +0700 GMT),
Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
True, but are you saying that if you use Add/Remove programs TB will not
uninstall everything?
ASK If you're not working with an administrative account in your normal
ASK everyday
Hello Roelof!
On Friday, February 03, 2006, 2:02 PM, you wrote:
MB I seem to remember that there's a way to get this annoying box (it
MB obscures whatever message listing happens to fall in its space) to
MB hide itself. But I can't find it.
View - Toolbars - Quicksearch
Or drag it to
Hello Mary,
Friday, February 3, 2006, 9:43:49 PM, you wrote:
MB Secondly, the box will not be dragged. (Hold down right mouse button
MB with cursor on box--nothing happens when I try to move it.)
Do you want to see a context-menu? If you try to move it, you should hold
down the left mouse
Hallo Mary,
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:43:49 -0600GMT (3-2-2006, 21:43 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:
MB Neither ticking the View/Toolbars/Quicksearch box nor unticking it has
MB any effect.
MB Secondly, the box will not be dragged. (Hold down right mouse button
MB with cursor on box--nothing
Hello Mica!
On Friday, February 03, 2006, 2:53 PM, you wrote:
I was doing some Customize testing in the current beta, and somehow I
managed to make the search window (the one you type into) appear in
the middle of the message list on TB!'s main window. It is also there
when one chooses the
Hello Mark!
On Friday, February 03, 2006, 3:00 PM, you wrote:
MB Secondly, the box will not be dragged. (Hold down right mouse button
MB with cursor on box--nothing happens when I try to move it.)
Do you want to see a context-menu? If you try to move it, you should hold
down the left mouse
Hello Roelof!
On Friday, February 03, 2006, 3:04 PM, you wrote:
MB Neither ticking the View/Toolbars/Quicksearch box nor unticking it has
MB any effect.
MB Secondly, the box will not be dragged. (Hold down right mouse button
MB with cursor on box--nothing happens when I try to move it.)
I
Hallo Mary,
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:12:13 -0600GMT (3-2-2006, 22:12 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:
MB Sending to TBBETA, as TBUDL does not accept attachments.
No attachment here.
The easiest way to solve this. Is to send your tbuser.def as an
attachment to Ritlabs. And then you'll simply
Hello Roelof!
On Friday, February 03, 2006, 3:04 PM, you wrote:
MB Neither ticking the View/Toolbars/Quicksearch box nor unticking it has
MB any effect.
MB Secondly, the box will not be dragged.
I might have mistaken your symptoms. Could send a screenshot?
Attached.
Clicking ESC also does
Hello Roelof!
On Friday, February 03, 2006, 3:20 PM, you wrote:
MB Sending to TBBETA, as TBUDL does not accept attachments.
No attachment here.
The easiest way to solve this. Is to send your tbuser.def as an
attachment to Ritlabs. And then you'll simply delete it.
The first will give
Hello Mary Bull everyone else,
on 03-Feb-2006 at 22:22 you (Mary Bull) wrote:
Attached.
This is a really really tiny screenshot (makes me wonder if I need
glasses). :-)
If you save it as PNG (with maximum compression) instead of JPG, you maybe
get a smaller filesize even with a bigger file.
Hello Alexander!
On Friday, February 03, 2006, 4:07 PM, you wrote:
Attached.
If you save it as PNG (with maximum compression) instead of JPG, you maybe
get a smaller filesize even with a bigger file.
Done, but I made a new shot, as you can tell.
This box is on top of the message list. I
Hello Peter!
On Friday, February 03, 2006, 6:31 PM, you wrote:
MB This box is on top of the message list. I cannot remove it by
MB ticking/unticking View/Toolbars/Quick Search.
Not sure what that thingy is in the .png.
It has the cursor in it, when the focus is on it. One can type into
it.
Hello Peter!
On Friday, February 03, 2006, 7:22 PM, you wrote:
MB Reason: Roelof told me to send my tbuser.def file to RitLabs as an
MB attachment. When I went into the TB! main directory to find it, I did
MB not have a tbuser.def file.
Did you have a look in the D:\Program Files\The Bat!\MAIL
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