Re: Enhancing ukbd for Apple notebooks

2010-11-27 Thread Michael
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Frank Wille wrote: Frank Wille wrote: Still we have no AltGr on Apple notebooks with just a left Alt. Should ukbd.c, or even wskbd.c be hacked to treat Ctrl-Alt as AltGr? Hmm... Ctrl-Alt is nonsense, of cour

Re: Enhancing ukbd for Apple notebooks

2010-11-27 Thread Michael
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, On Nov 27, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2010-11-27 15:29, Frank Wille wrote: Michael wrote: To recap, my opinion is this: - - keys should do what the label says, no shifting things around to match PC layouts Ok. - - we

brgphy(4) and bnx(4) BCM5709S (SerDes) support

2010-11-27 Thread Jean-Yves Migeon
Dear all, Just FYI, in case someone else might be working on it: I am about to update bnx(4) and brgphy(4) to support Broadcom cards with SerDes PHY (BCM 5709S). Preliminary patch is attached. Code originates from OpenBSD, with a few modifications here and there to adapt to our own drivers (of in

Re: Enhancing ukbd for Apple notebooks

2010-11-27 Thread Piotr Adamus
I am sorry, my mistake- FN-Backspace -> Delete. Kr, Pjoter. On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Frank Wille wrote: > On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 19:32:22 +0100 > Piotr Adamus wrote: > >> what about Fn-Esc as Delete key? > > Fn-Esc? Fn-Backspace is translated into a Delete key. > > >> And FN-Down-Up as Pg

Re: Enhancing ukbd for Apple notebooks

2010-11-27 Thread Frank Wille
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 19:32:22 +0100 Piotr Adamus wrote: > what about Fn-Esc as Delete key? Fn-Esc? Fn-Backspace is translated into a Delete key. > And FN-Down-Up as PgUp PgDn? Is it going it work? Yes. All that will work with my patch. -- Frank Wille

Re: Enhancing ukbd for Apple notebooks

2010-11-27 Thread Piotr Adamus
Hello, what about Fn-Esc as Delete key? And FN-Down-Up as PgUp PgDn? Is it going it work? Kr, Piotr On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Frank Wille wrote: > Frank Wille wrote: > >> Still we have no AltGr on Apple notebooks with just a left Alt. >> Should ukbd.c, or even wskbd.c be hacked to treat

Re: Enhancing ukbd for Apple notebooks

2010-11-27 Thread Frank Wille
Frank Wille wrote: > Still we have no AltGr on Apple notebooks with just a left Alt. > Should ukbd.c, or even wskbd.c be hacked to treat Ctrl-Alt as AltGr? Hmm... Ctrl-Alt is nonsense, of course. Because it is already used as a command modifier in wscons (switch screens with functions keys, or en

Re: Enhancing ukbd for Apple notebooks

2010-11-27 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2010-11-27 15:29, Frank Wille wrote: Michael wrote: To recap, my opinion is this: - - keys should do what the label says, no shifting things around to match PC layouts Ok. - - we need AltGr, most people will expect it to be the right Alt key, so that should be the (hopefully only ) exce

Re: Enhancing ukbd for Apple notebooks

2010-11-27 Thread Frank Wille
Michael wrote: > To recap, my opinion is this: > - - keys should do what the label says, no shifting things around to > match PC layouts Ok. > - - we need AltGr, most people will expect it to be the right Alt key, > so that should be the (hopefully only ) exception Already works that way,

Re: Enhancing ukbd for Apple notebooks

2010-11-27 Thread Michael
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, On Nov 27, 2010, at 6:10 AM, Frank Wille wrote: Michael wrote: I completely agree that it is not nice, and I already thought about turning the Alt/Option key into AltGr. But then we would miss Alt under NetBSD (which is used in various X11

Re: Enhancing ukbd for Apple notebooks

2010-11-27 Thread Frank Wille
Michael wrote: >> I completely agree that it is not nice, and I already thought about >> turning the Alt/Option key into AltGr. But then we would miss Alt >> under >> NetBSD (which is used in various X11-based GUIs). The Apple/Command >> keys, >> on the other hand, are not needed. > > In my op