function
> keys or already use F11 and F12 for other purposes (like DEC keyboard
> has F11=ESC, so ctrl-alt-f11 invokes DDB).
Sure, but most of the keyboards have 12 function keys and even if some
don't, nobody is forced to try to use them.
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, or
badly aligned?
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out? The key near ENTER
(but not as described between enter and backspace) is #/~.
See e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_American_keyboards
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> No, a common way to do it (as in the Dragon Book), if I recall
> correctly, the address of the function combined with a stack frame
> pointer. And nested functions keep a static link to the lexically
> enclosing scope, or a
e else to
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a bit like a serial killer paying someone else to
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er paying someone else to
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to switch
everything over more or less at once.)
> -RVP
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tions work for both SOL_LOCAL and SOL_SOCKET level:
compatible with both (at least some) practice and documentation.
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s but it is determined by physical hardware attachment.
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achine that with an nVidia card there was a pause similar to
what you described. It went away when I put in a Radeon card instead.
The nVidia was also not-quite-functional, so I wanted to get rid of it
anyway.
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are that is physically present even if is not configured into the
system, but it can be used only on "self-describing" buses. The
SnailBus, for instance, [ explains the SnailBus, which seems similar to
PCI, and then p.15ff explains the configuration process more deeply ]
> -uwe
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riven" and "hardware driven", or "fixed" vs
"autodetect" or something like that?
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system call with error can return with the carry set and the error and
short count returned in a separate registers. The carry bit is how
errors used to be indicated since at least V7 (even V6?) anyway.
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that establishes the
connection to the controlling terminal is called the controlling
process" and "... the hang-up signal is sent to the controlling process
(the session leader)").
In other words, controlling ttys are pretty strongly associated with the
session leader process, which se
lls when it isn't open, or what?
I think sys/kern/tty_tty.c is the implementation of /dev/tty, and it
seems you get ENXIO. Also each read/write call goes to the *current*
controlling tty, freshly looked up.
> /~\ The ASCII Mouse
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was shipped with would have saved me so much effort over the years :)
I think it already ends up in /.sysinst/etc ?
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but nothing
> new needed?
My first thought was that daemon(3) does something like that already
(the idea sounds familiar to me), but it does just a single fork(2) and
a setsid(2).
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or code editors?
I have seen an editor (I think it was google's Android development
environment) that even went so far as to recognize some particular
boilerplate Java code fragments, and abbreviated them. You could unfold
them if you wanted though.
I wasn't sure if I liked that or hated it.
t; if's test to the enclosing if's, I can go either way on whether I'd
> prefer braces or no braces around the inner if.
I agree with the proposal at the start of the thread and I also agree
with this. I guess that some languages have a special 'elif' or 'elseif'
keyword just because of this.
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the group for terminal job control (those with a parent in a different
* process group of the same session). If that count reaches zero, the
* process group becomes orphaned. Check both the specified process'
* process group and that of its children.
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On Thu 03 Oct 2019 at 10:17:47 -0700, John Nemeth wrote:
> On Oct 3, 2:42pm, Rhialto wrote:
> } I was thinking the other day that it might be useful if gpt had a
> } subcommand to spit out a script to duplicate the partitioning of a disk,
> } but without the "unique" p
in
all cases using a simple script, and keep the script corresponding to
each disk, so that I can use it again later. But if you didn't
originally partition a disk this way, it doesn't help.
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s been there (according to
cvs annotate) since 2014 with some small changes in 2015.
> Martin
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= delta);
#ifdef RND_VERBOSE
if (deltacnt++ % 1151 == 0) {
rnd_printf_verbose("rnd_dv_estimate: %s x = %lld, dx = %lld, "
" d2x = %lld\n", rs->name,
(long long int)d->x,
(long l
On Fri 27 Sep 2019 at 15:53:47 +0200, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
> On 27.09.2019 10:19, Rhialto wrote:
> > On Thu 26 Sep 2019 at 01:15:23 +0200, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
> >> Is this patch correct?
> >>
> >> http://netbsd.org/~kamil/patch-00168-kern_rndq.c-av
her positive results x can come from x and -x as inputs.
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the deduped version from that point onwards.
It would need to be tested how much that wins and loses in regards to
comparison time vs. parallelism and that sort of things.
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s cheap).
With this change, the return value can be stored in a register. If you
take the address of the variable where you want the value to be, it
can't be a register. But the error case hopefully doesn't occur often,
so the error code likely doesn't even have to be stored into.
> Eduardo
-Olaf
ate of cloud-init is wrt NetBSD so
that I can run NetBSD images in OpenStack clouds :)
-Olaf.
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ified packet filter
(which needs a big tool set in the form of clang to compile C to EBPF
bytecode).
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ot;wrongly-tagged" syscall.
sys_nomodule() could maybe even put back sys_nosys in the table in that
case, for later callers. If it is certain it can't be a module.
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0.00 kernel_locktcp_sockaddr_wrapper+1b
0.00 1 0.00 kernel_lockudp_disconnect_wrapper+1a
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y
access the same bus?
If the latter, the better controller can be used...
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D version of Docker.
Although, as far as I understand Docker, you could probably get a lot of
the process isolation that it needs done by writing an appropriate kauth
policy?
-Olaf.
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On Sat 20 Jan 2018 at 15:45:10 +0100, Tobias Ulmer wrote:
> TLDR: nfs_reqq crrptin, see diff below.
Sounds like it might fix/improve
http://gnats.netbsd.org/50432 ? That's also (likely) about nfs_reqq.
-Olaf.
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-by-100 result when using 8 bits for the
fraction (only 100 out of the 256 possible fractions are used).
Small thing, but easy to do.
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ur as before...
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0::226:9eff:fece:8c54%re0 00:26:9e:ce:8c:54re0 23h48m9s S
fe80::d63d:7eff:fe2d:6798%re0d4:3d:7e:2d:67:98re0 permanent R
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signatu
denly
NetBSD would change methods, and need not only NetBSD-dependent code
but also NetBSD-version-dependent code.
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have to basically
make it the permanent configurtation, for the eventuality of wanting to
run a VM.
Please don't do it that way on NetBSD. It is stupid[1].
[1] I have a laptop set up that way, and some of the important userland
tools get confused by it. That makes it even worse.
-Olaf.
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ach:
- this will use an extra fd and that is observable by the process
- and the process might even close that fd if it is doing some blanket
close-all-fds action.
Maybe these potential issues can be avoided somehow?
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ith GENERIC and removing
things from it that I don't have or need. Is there a simple way to see
which of those things are also modules (so they can come back if I need
them after all)? The names in /stand/modules don't always seem to match
100% with words from the config file.
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ARP replies for its IPv4 address.)
I thought this ioctl was supposed to fix this limitation, but it seems
something still doesn't work for me.
> christos
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needed to try this out.
The deeper story behind it that I want to use libpcap for packet
capture, so that I can remove crufty code for DLPI, PFLT, NIT (and
BPF).
> christos
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I just had a freeze which likely was caused by BPF. This was with a
distributed GERNERIC version of 7.0/amd64.
I was running a PDP-10 emulator, klh10, https://github.com/Rhialto/klh10
which I configured to use BPF to communicate with the outside world.
I ran my tops-20 installation, and as soon
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ay it should not be there.
My other observations still stand, it seems, since they concern files in
sys/nfs.
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:57 +0200, Rhialto wrote:
> This problem is very repeatable, usually within a few hours, just now it
> happened within half an hour.
>
> It seems to me that somehow the nfs_reqq list gets corrupted. Then
> either there is a crash when traversing it in nfs_timer() (occurring in
>
at the
mountpoint directory, but not ones more inside.
A possible reason not to handle subdirectories could have been that
semantics for that are unclear. But one would have expected some note
about that somewhere, given the above.
-Olaf.
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On Thu 09 Jul 2015 at 00:27:18 +0200, Rhialto wrote:
That seems like an inconsistency that we may
want to avoid due to the POLA.
I may even see an escape from a chroot :
1. process gets chrooted to /altroot
2. it cds into, say, tmp
3. outside, somebody mounts a new system on top of /alroot
4
3.1, but on
page 44.
- the same book with FreeBSD in the title has the same Figure 3.1, also
on page 51.
-Olaf.
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(just point
web browser at it, and it will load stylesheet and perform XSL
transformation for you).
XSLT is even worse. It is an abomination. XSL is totally unsuited for
writing programs. Its notation is completely unreadable and its
semantics are incomprehensible.
-Olaf.
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around. Or with stdin. In other words,
changing the actual files that file descriptors are connected to.
Possibly even plumbing a stdout and stdin together with a pipe.
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a membar_consumer between `p = *pp'
and `v = *p'.
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). The device was not disabled (and it needs to be
because it hangs the machine in question).
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On Wed 10 Sep 2014 at 22:53:27 +0100, David Laight wrote:
(and ICL system25 whcih wanted 100 byte sectors).
Or IBM's CMS which used to have 800 byte sectors.
-Olaf.
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for the system and cannot
be assigned to the file system.
some memory (...) are - some memory is.
I'd split the lines as
| Note that some memory
| (by default: four megabytes)
| is always reserved for the system and cannot
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that I don't understand some
piece of code is that the author had a mixed up thought process.
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.
http://www.grammarly.com/handbook/punctuation/colon/5/misuse-of-colon/
seems to give some rules when not to use colons).
-Olaf.
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hope my diagram of how the pointers point was correct :-)
Martin
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in
http://wiki.amigaos.net/index.php/Exec_Lists_and_Queues .
-Olaf.
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On Mon 18 Nov 2013 at 05:11:35 +0700, Robert Elz wrote:
how does it ever know whether or not there are
holes to fill? And why would it do it that way, and follow by fallocate() ?
Wasn't there some (proposed? actual?) interface to find holes in files?
-Olaf.
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some socket(s), in this case those from mount, to use the
normally assigned, non-random address?
-Olaf.
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the card I that thought was supported properly (Radeon HD
5450-based) isn't - X claims no accelleration. I haven't tried Xv yet
(needed to view video) but I fear the worst.
Is anybody by any chance working on porting this FreeBSD driver to NetBSD?
-Olaf.
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On Sat 12 Jan 2013 at 16:09:27 +, Christos Zoulas wrote:
We are painfully aware of this and we are commissioning work to remedy the
situation.
Ah, that is great to hear. Thank you!
christos
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without changing coalition.
That would make yet another process grouping, confusingly (dis)similar
to process groups, controlling-terminal groups, sessions, (and am I
forgetting more perhaps?)
Dave
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On Mon 30 Jan 2012 at 15:39:50 +0100, Olivier MATZ wrote:
I would like to have some expert opinions about this behaviour. Is there
a workaround?
Look into using the socket option SO_REUSEADDR.
Regards,
Olivier
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extra memory as extra swap, or something like that?
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On Fri 09 Dec 2011 at 17:40:29 -0500, Donald Allen wrote:
If I can find the time, I'll do that.
Even a little shell script would do:
#!/bin/sh
while sleep 30; do sync; done
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with 0
elements, which wasn't allowed at the time, but which were often used
for open-ended structs)
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/Projects/PDP-10/ . Unfinished,
unfortunately.
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if there isn't a pty in there
somewhere too.
/~\ The ASCII Mouse
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inside screen in an xterm, but the limit equally applies
if I paste into a wc from stdin directly in an xterm (so screen and
vim are not to blame).
I'm pretty sure also that in the past there was no such limit, or at
least it was much higher.
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as present of
course). In the mean time, a program which may have created the file and
remembered its name, may still access it past the expiration date if it
is lucky (i.e., nobody looked - a quantum file system where observation
changes the files).
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unlinkat
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olafs vb 3 Aug 1 12:25 baz@ - foo
I tested both on ffs and zfs. The results are the same.
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to recall vaguely that this
was changed in the last few years.
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typewriter had those).
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be
defined as ((void *)1234) (for appropriate values of 1234).
However, we don't have streams, so no streams ioctls, which makes the
point moot, at least for the given example.
David
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