On Wed, 2012-11-07 at 07:51 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 11/07/2012 02:09 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2012-11-07 at 00:42 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >> >On 11/07/2012 12:04 AM, drago01 wrote:
> >>> > >That's not absurd ... that's reality.
> >> >
> >> >I'm perfe
On 11/07/2012 02:09 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2012-11-07 at 00:42 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>On 11/07/2012 12:04 AM, drago01 wrote:
> >That's not absurd ... that's reality.
>
>I'm perfectly well aware how absurd and real that criteria is
Does anyone else agree with Johann
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On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 15:56 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:
> So as I see it the Cow needs two items of unobtanium: an easy to use,
> reliable installer that is a superset of previous installers, and a reliable
> full featured display driver for Nvidia boards.
Chuck, for the seventy-f
On 11/07/2012 02:09 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2012-11-07 at 00:42 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 11/07/2012 12:04 AM, drago01 wrote:
That's not absurd ... that's reality.
I'm perfectly well aware how absurd and real that criteria is
Does anyone else agree with Johann that
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 15:59 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:
> On 11/06/2012 03:26 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> > On 11/06/2012 11:07 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> >>> >People that want to try Fedora can do so via live cd/dvd/usb or in
> >>> a vm and those that dont need to reformat/
On Wed, 2012-11-07 at 00:42 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 11/07/2012 12:04 AM, drago01 wrote:
> > That's not absurd ... that's reality.
>
> I'm perfectly well aware how absurd and real that criteria is
Does anyone else agree with Johann that we should change or remove the
criterion?
On Wed, 2012-11-07 at 00:23 +0100, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Nov 6, 2012, at 11:43 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> wrote:
>
> >
> > You do realize by having this criteria you are tying the release to
> users having existing windows installs be it oem installs or not and
> that's just absurd…
>
>
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 07:28 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:
> Perhaps you have read reports on phoronix.com about
> a pair of bugs in recent stable kernels that corrupt
> ext4 file systems.
>
> Do Fedora kernels have either of these bugs?
> If so what are the prospects for fixing them?
On 2012-11-06 13:42 (GMT-0800) Adam Williamson composed:
we don't support the 'install Fedora then install
Windows' case, and never have (no OS can, really, as Windows will always
just squelch the MBR at install time).
This misstates what Windows does, and vastly overstates the amount of damag
On 11/07/2012 12:04 AM, drago01 wrote:
That's not absurd ... that's reality.
I'm perfectly well aware how absurd and real that criteria is
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That's not absurd ... that's reality.
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:36 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 11/06/2012 11:23 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>> On Nov 6, 2012, at 11:43 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
>> wrote:
>>
>> You do realize by having this criteria you are tying the release to
>
On 11/06/2012 03:26 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 11/06/2012 11:07 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>People that want to try Fedora can do so via live cd/dvd/usb or in
a vm and those that dont need to reformat/repartition and reinstall
windows and then install Fedora assuming that they have leg
On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:26 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> On 11/06/2012 11:07 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>> >People that want to try Fedora can do so via live cd/dvd/usb or in a vm
>>> >and those that dont need to reformat/repartition and reinstall windows and
>>> >then install Fedora assuming
64 bit TC7 has been running omen.com for a while without
apparent problems. I saved the old fstab so I didn't have to try
telling the installer to mount existing partitions. IMO the requirement
for this hack should be corrected before final release.
An easily understood explanation on how to u
On 11/06/2012 11:23 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Nov 6, 2012, at 11:43 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
You do realize by having this criteria you are tying the release to users
having existing windows installs be it oem installs or not and that's just
absurd…
Why is OEM vs retail install r
On Nov 6, 2012 4:29 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
>
> On 11/06/2012 11:07 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>>
>>> >People that want to try Fedora can do so via live cd/dvd/usb or in a
vm and those that dont need to reformat/repartition and reinstall windows
and then install Fedora assuming that they ha
On 11/06/2012 11:07 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>People that want to try Fedora can do so via live cd/dvd/usb or in a vm and
those that dont need to reformat/repartition and reinstall windows and then
install Fedora assuming that they have legal copy of Microsoft Windows in the
first place ( which
On Nov 6, 2012, at 11:43 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
> You do realize by having this criteria you are tying the release to users
> having existing windows installs be it oem installs or not and that's just
> absurd…
Why is OEM vs retail install relevant? It's NTFS in any case. You h
On Nov 6, 2012, at 10:55 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> People that want to try Fedora can do so via live cd/dvd/usb or in a vm and
> those that dont need to reformat/repartition and reinstall windows and then
> install Fedora assuming that they have legal copy of Microsoft Windows in th
On 11/06/2012 10:23 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
What? you don't have to reinstall Windows to install Fedora alongside
it. Almost all OEM preloads of Windows are simple installs, just what we
list in the criteria and what we test: they just have a single big
partition with Windows on it (and maybe
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 15:04 +0100, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
>
> On Tue Nov 6 12:39:55 UTC 2012 Kamil Paral wrote
> > Yes, please file a bug with anaconda. They need to hear the
> feedback, they don't monitor this mailing list as much.Done:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=873693
Proba
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 21:55 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> People that want to try Fedora can do so via live cd/dvd/usb or in a vm
> and those that dont need to reformat/repartition and reinstall windows
> and then install Fedora assuming that they have legal copy of Microsoft
> Window
On 11/06/2012 09:42 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Ultimately the intent of the criterion is that a simple 'do a default
install of Windows, then do a default install of Fedora next to it' case
is fairly commonly seen in the real world, reasonably stable in
behaviour (Windows has not changed in how i
On Nov 6, 2012, at 9:34 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 11/06/2012 08:00 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> Fact is, a_lot_ of people still dual boot with Windows, because they're
>> not sure they want to switch 100% to Linux, or they still need to run
>> some apps on Windows, or they want t
On Nov 6, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
> Well the fundamental question to ask ourselves is if windows or os-x do honor
> other operating system installed then we should if not we should not
> regardless of any numbers game you like to play trying to justify this
> crite
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 21:19 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 11/06/2012 09:02 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 20:34 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >> >On 11/06/2012 08:00 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >>> > >Fact is, a_lot_ of people still dual boot with Wind
On 11/06/2012 09:02 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 20:34 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>On 11/06/2012 08:00 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >Fact is, a_lot_ of people still dual boot with Windows, because they're
> >not sure they want to switch 100% to Linux, or they sti
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 20:34 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 11/06/2012 08:00 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Fact is, a_lot_ of people still dual boot with Windows, because they're
> > not sure they want to switch 100% to Linux, or they still need to run
> > some apps on Windows, or they
On 11/06/2012 08:00 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Fact is, a_lot_ of people still dual boot with Windows, because they're
not sure they want to switch 100% to Linux, or they still need to run
some apps on Windows, or they want to play games, or whatever. Is anyone
seriously doubting it's a common a
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 17:57 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 11/06/2012 05:42 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >> >Good question. I guess the answer is "practicality", dual boot with
> >> >Windows is the most common use case. We can't really extend this
> >> >criterion to_any_ operating syst
On Nov 6, 2012, at 7:28 PM, Dave Jones wrote:
>>
> Historically, how many times has this held up the release ?
For Fedora 17 there were maybe a few hours of hold up because I proposed it as
a blocker that there was no memory test entry on UEFI booted hardware. It was
approved as a blocker. B
Below are a couple messages from the Gnome networkmanager list on a
problem I am having in F16. The implication is that there is a patch to
address the problem. Is this patch going to be applied to F16 and F17?
Original Message
Subject:Re: F16 NetworkManager icon sh
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 09:02:42AM -0500, Kamil Paral wrote:
> I'd like to discuss the following criterion:
>
> All release media must include a standalone memory test utility. A boot
> menu option to launch this utility must be present and must work correctly
> https://fedoraproject.org/w
On 11/06/2012 05:42 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>Good question. I guess the answer is "practicality", dual boot with
>Windows is the most common use case. We can't really extend this
>criterion to_any_ operating system, we don't really want to block
>Fedora because it can't properly dual-boot wit
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 11:06 -0500, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > On 11/06/2012 02:30 PM, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > >> The F18 Blocker criteria contain:
> > >>
> > >> The installer must be able to install into free space alongside an
> > >> existing clean single-partition Windows installation and either
> > >
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 14:33 +, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 09:30:41 -0500 (EST)
> Kamil Paral wrote:
>
> > > The F18 Blocker criteria contain:
> > >
> > > The installer must be able to install into free space alongside an
> > > existing clean single-partition Windows installatio
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 15:34:27 +,
Peter Robinson wrote:
Fedora kernels did have the suspect kernels but you had to mount the
filesystems with a set of non standard mount options to actually have
the corruption. All users using ext4 filesystems in a sane way on
Fedora would never have hit
Hello,
testing what in subject, without the tablet definition in guest I'm unable
to use my mouse:
the pointer moves, but the click doesn't produce any effect...
Instead the graphical install phae of F18 tc7 from netinst.iso in the same
vm was without problems regarding mouse, only after reboot
I
On 11/06/2012 04:04 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 09:02:42AM -0500, Kamil Paral wrote:
I'd like to keep the list of criteria short and simple. If there is no
real reason to have this criterion on the list, I'd like to remove it.
Your reasoning all sounds good, but I'd still
> On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 09:02:42AM -0500, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > I'd like to keep the list of criteria short and simple. If there is
> > no
> > real reason to have this criterion on the list, I'd like to remove
> > it.
>
> Your reasoning all sounds good, but I'd still like "we want there to
> be
> On 11/06/2012 02:30 PM, Kamil Paral wrote:
> >> The F18 Blocker criteria contain:
> >>
> >> The installer must be able to install into free space alongside an
> >> existing clean single-partition Windows installation and either
> >> install
> >> a bootloader which can boot into the Windows instal
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 09:02:42AM -0500, Kamil Paral wrote:
> I'd like to keep the list of criteria short and simple. If there is no
> real reason to have this criterion on the list, I'd like to remove it.
Your reasoning all sounds good, but I'd still like "we want there to be a
memory checker th
On 11/06/2012 04:26 PM, Thomas Woerner wrote:
On 11/06/2012 01:07 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:
The new firewall replaces the old "trusted interface" with
multiple "zones" . This would be fine if one could easily
tell which zone each network interface was in and
make changes.
firewa
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
wrote:
> Perhaps you have read reports on phoronix.com about
> a pair of bugs in recent stable kernels that corrupt
> ext4 file systems.
>
> Do Fedora kernels have either of these bugs?
> If so what are the prospects for fixing them?
>
>
Perhaps you have read reports on phoronix.com about
a pair of bugs in recent stable kernels that corrupt
ext4 file systems.
Do Fedora kernels have either of these bugs?
If so what are the prospects for fixing them?
Are there any protective measures available
short of using a different type of fi
On 11/06/2012 01:07 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:
The new firewall replaces the old "trusted interface" with
multiple "zones" . This would be fine if one could easily
tell which zone each network interface was in and
make changes.
firewalld is not selecting the zone for an interface r
On 11/06/2012 02:30 PM, Kamil Paral wrote:
The F18 Blocker criteria contain:
The installer must be able to install into free space alongside an
existing clean single-partition Windows installation and either
install
a bootloader which can boot into the Windows installation, or leave
the
Windows
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 09:30:41 -0500 (EST)
> Kamil Paral wrote:
>
>> > The F18 Blocker criteria contain:
>> >
>> > The installer must be able to install into free space alongside an
>> > existing clean single-partition Windows installation and ei
On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 09:30:41 -0500 (EST)
Kamil Paral wrote:
> > The F18 Blocker criteria contain:
> >
> > The installer must be able to install into free space alongside an
> > existing clean single-partition Windows installation and either
> > install
> > a bootloader which can boot into the Win
> The F18 Blocker criteria contain:
>
> The installer must be able to install into free space alongside an
> existing clean single-partition Windows installation and either
> install
> a bootloader which can boot into the Windows installation, or leave
> the
> Windows bootloader untouched and work
On *Tue Nov 6 12:39:55 UTC 2012 *Kamil Paral wrote
> Yes, please file a bug with anaconda. They need to hear the feedback,
they don't monitor this mailing list as much.Done:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=873693
Gianluca
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I'd like to discuss the following criterion:
All release media must include a standalone memory test utility. A boot menu
option to launch this utility must be present and must work correctly
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria
I wonder, what is the reason to have t
The F18 Blocker criteria contain:
The installer must be able to install into free space alongside an
existing clean single-partition Windows installation and either install
a bootloader which can boot into the Windows installation, or leave the
Windows bootloader untouched and working
What must b
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> See this screenshot of a pre-instaled F17 vm where I run the
> netinst.iso for install.
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwoPbcrMv8mvR3RkdGhwd3JYaDA
> It is not so clear in my opinion (at list it took half a minute to me
> to understand... forgive me ;-) to click on right most column of
> each
See this screenshot of a pre-instaled F17 vm where I run the netinst.iso
for install.
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwoPbcrMv8mvR3RkdGhwd3JYaDA
It is not so clear in my opinion (at list it took half a minute to me to
understand... forgive me ;-) to click on right most column of each line and
see
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