Re: user list

2013-07-09 Thread John Morris
On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 20:34 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > This email was not helpful nor being excellent to each other. It also shows > a biased view that shows that the user didn't even try the version that > shipped in at least alpha onward which does not use gestures but just a > space o

Re: systemd depends so heavily on a files it can not reboot

2013-07-09 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 07/09/2013 01:42 AM, Gavin Flower wrote: I sync I know what youmean! :) Seriously, thanks for the short history lesson, puts it all into perspective. To be clear, I didn't write it. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/

Re: systemd depends so heavily on a files it can not reboot

2013-07-09 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 07/09/2013 06:17 AM, John Reiser wrote: Yes it does, because the rest of the system might not be quiescent during the first sync. While that is certainly true, "sync" doesn't make the rest of the system quiescent. The first sync disturbs the system with an impulse of activity. This may

Re: user list

2013-07-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2013-07-09 21:01, Richard Vickery wrote: You need to flip the dconf key apps/gdm/simple-greeter/disable_user_list in a way that gdm will recognize. I don't know if there's an Official Way to do that, perhaps Matthias or Ray could advise. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=165932

Re: user list

2013-07-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2013-07-09 19:34, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 9 July 2013 20:30, John Morris wrote: On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 10:58 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: See, GNOME _does_ listen :-) And yes, this is new in F19. They do listen.  They don't always care.  :) And for the record, HATE the new login

Re: user list

2013-07-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2013-07-09 19:30, John Morris wrote: On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 10:58 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: See, GNOME _does_ listen :-) And yes, this is new in F19. They do listen. They don't always care. :) And for the record, HATE the new login screen. Impossible to login with only the keyboard

Re: F19_64 SW Update Icons Gnome3

2013-07-09 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 00:10 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote: > Hi, > I use the German language version of F19_64, installed from F19 > Desktop Live iso. Looking at the programs installed i.e. I can see > "Software", "Software-Install", "Software Aktua". Clicking on > "Software-Installation" noth

F19_64 SW Update Icons Gnome3

2013-07-09 Thread Joerg Lechner
Hi, I use the German language version of F19_64, installed from F19 Desktop Live iso. Looking at the programs installed i.e. I can see "Software", "Software-Install", "Software Aktua". Clicking on "Software-Installation" nothing happens. Is this worthhwile to write a bug? Last updates ("

Re: ABRT shows a problem with google-chrome-unstable Google Wallet Service...

2013-07-09 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 21:17 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: > So how should I report this? Is there some way to force ABRT to > report this? Chrome? I thought ABRT only reports issues for Fedora packages? You may be able to save the ABRT log and manually file a bug wherever chrome's bug tracker is, bu

Re: user list

2013-07-09 Thread Richard Vickery
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On 2013-07-09 16:12, Richard Vickery wrote: >>> >>> On Jul 9, 2013 1:23 PM, "Michael Knepher" >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Karel Volný >>> wrote: >>>

Re: user list

2013-07-09 Thread Richard Vickery
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On 2013-07-09 16:12, Richard Vickery wrote: >> >> On Jul 9, 2013 1:23 PM, "Michael Knepher" >> wrote: >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Karel Volný >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dne úterý, 9. července 2013 16:24:11 CEST, Michal Jaeger

Re: systemd depends so heavily on a files it can not reboot

2013-07-09 Thread John Morris
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 18:02 +0200, Adam Pribyl wrote: > OK, so the systemd people say, it is perfecly fine you can not reboot via > ctrl-alt-del (while it was always possible with init) and give me the > advice to enable sysrq for the purpose, and sysrq people say, it's not for > users, we will

Re: user list

2013-07-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 9 July 2013 20:30, John Morris wrote: > On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 10:58 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > See, GNOME _does_ listen :-) And yes, this is new in F19. > > They do listen. They don't always care. :) > > And for the record, HATE the new login screen. Impossible to login with > only

Re: user list

2013-07-09 Thread John Morris
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 10:58 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > See, GNOME _does_ listen :-) And yes, this is new in F19. They do listen. They don't always care. :) And for the record, HATE the new login screen. Impossible to login with only the keyboard and gestures are for tablets, not getting

ABRT shows a problem with google-chrome-unstable Google Wallet Service...

2013-07-09 Thread Kevin Martin
But won't let me report it as it says that it's probably due to my using the nVidia graphics driver. Interestingly enough, I'm *not* using nVidia but nouveau (as the ABRT message suggests and as shown below): $ lsmod |grep nvidia $ lsmod | grep nouveau nouveau 1027226 2 mxm_wmi

Fedora 18 updates-testing report

2013-07-09 Thread updates
The following Fedora 18 Security updates need testing: Age URL 182 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-0416/fedora-business-cards-1-0.1.beta1.fc18 115 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-3935/puppet-3.1.1-1.fc18 109 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/

Fedora 19 updates-testing report

2013-07-09 Thread updates
The following Fedora 19 Security updates need testing: Age URL 84 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-5801/mantis-1.2.15-1.fc19 39 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-9715/heat-jeos-9-1.fc19 27 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-10678/p

Fedora 17 updates-testing report

2013-07-09 Thread updates
The following Fedora 17 Security updates need testing: Age URL 369 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-10269/revelation-0.4.14-1.fc17 181 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-0455/fedora-business-cards-1-0.1.beta1.fc17 109 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/up

Re: [Fedora-spins] Proposal: Spins process amendment for Fedora 20 cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2013-07-06 10:50, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Bear in mind that anything you decide here should be applicable to the Gnome live spin as well. The KDE and Desktop (Gnome) spins are not included here, as they are release blocking, so they already have their own critera. Our release blocking

Re: user list

2013-07-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2013-07-09 16:12, Richard Vickery wrote: On Jul 9, 2013 1:23 PM, "Michael Knepher" wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Karel Volný wrote: >> >> Dne úterý, 9. července 2013 16:24:11 CEST, Michal Jaegermann  napsal(a): >> >>> OTOH I really dislike to advertise too wide who is jus

Re: update to rawhide dependencies problem

2013-07-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2013-07-09 13:50, Igor Gnatenko wrote: I want update to rawhide, but I have this problem. How I can fix it? Error: Package: gnome-contacts-3.8.2-2.fc20.x86_64 (rawhide) Requires: libcamel-1.2.so.43()(64bit) Removing: evolution-data-server-3.8.3-2.fc19.x86_64 (@updates-tes

Re: user list

2013-07-09 Thread Richard Vickery
On Jul 9, 2013 1:23 PM, "Michael Knepher" wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Karel Volný wrote: >> >> Dne úterý, 9. července 2013 16:24:11 CEST, Michal Jaegermann napsal(a): >> >>> OTOH I really dislike to advertise too wide who is just sitting by a >>> keyboard. If you want to call th

Re: [Fedora-spins] Proposal: Spins process amendment for Fedora 20 cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) said: > Each approved spin MUST have at least 2 people fill in the Basic spin > test matrix for at least 1 TC or RC. If the image fails, maintainers > can try again at the next milestone, but the image is NOT shipped for > that milestone. if an image doesn't get 2 peo

Re: update to rawhide dependencies problem

2013-07-09 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 00:50:34 +0400, Igor Gnatenko wrote: I want update to rawhide, but I have this problem. How I can fix it? I expect these will be cleaned up shortly. The easiest thing is probably to wait a day or two. You can probably use skip_broken to update the vast majority of p

update to rawhide dependencies problem

2013-07-09 Thread Igor Gnatenko
I want update to rawhide, but I have this problem. How I can fix it? Error: Package: gnome-contacts-3.8.2-2.fc20.x86_64 (rawhide) Requires: libcamel-1.2.so.43()(64bit) Removing: evolution-data-server-3.8.3-2.fc19.x86_64 (@updates-testing/19) libcamel-1.2.so.43()

Re: user list

2013-07-09 Thread Michael Knepher
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Karel Volný wrote: > Dne úterý, 9. července 2013 16:24:11 CEST, Michal Jaegermann napsal(a): > > OTOH I really dislike to advertise too wide who is just sitting by a >> keyboard. If you want to call that paranoiac then so be it but >> > > I don't argue about th

Re: user list

2013-07-09 Thread Karel Volný
Dne úterý, 9. července 2013 16:24:11 CEST, Michal Jaegermann napsal(a): OTOH I really dislike to advertise too wide who is just sitting by a keyboard. If you want to call that paranoiac then so be it but I don't argue about the configurability, if you prefer to have it hidden, let's allow to

Re: [Fedora QA] #389: Proposed Test Day - AD trusts with POSIX attributes in AD and support of old clients

2013-07-09 Thread Fedora QA
#389: Proposed Test Day - AD trusts with POSIX attributes in AD and support of old clients ---+--- Reporter: dpal | Owner: adamwill Type: task | Status: assigned Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 19 Component: Test

Re: systemd depends so heavily on a files it can not reboot

2013-07-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 07/09/2013 10:41 AM, Karel Volný wrote: Dne pondělí, 8. července 2013 14:03:00 CEST, Adam Pribyl napsal(a): So to avoid the worst - the need to interrupt the power and risk the damage to all other mounted file systems, I'd like to open a discussion on enabling the sysrq in Fedora by default

Re: user list

2013-07-09 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 12:57:56PM +0200, Karel Volný wrote: > Dne neděle, 7. července 2013 15:33:55 CEST, Michal Jaegermann napsal(a): > > > >... is to have your name permanently > >stuck on a bar of a Gnome desktop for any shoulder surfer to see when > >you happen to be using your laptop in a p

Re: systemd depends so heavily on a files it can not reboot

2013-07-09 Thread John Reiser
On 07/09/2013 01:22 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 07/08/2013 09:39 AM, John Reiser wrote: >> 1. Install a userid whose login shell is /usr/bin/sync >> (or a script which does "sync; sync") >> 2. Login as the sync user (twice, perhaps.) > > Running sync multiple times doesn't have any particul

rawhide report: 20130709 changes

2013-07-09 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Tue Jul 9 08:15:03 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [derelict] derelict-tcod-3-20.20130626gite70c293.fc20.i686 requires tcod derelict-tcod-3-20.20130626gite70c293.fc20.x86_64 requires tcod derelic

Re: Rawhide: /run/initramfs/sosreport.txt stuck.

2013-07-09 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 07/09/2013 12:55 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 11:35:32 +0100 Bryn M. Reeves" wrote: >> Sos does not normally write anything under /run and the string >> 'sosreport.txt' does not exist anywhere in the package > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=921887 Oh. Thanks. S

Re: Rawhide: /run/initramfs/sosreport.txt stuck.

2013-07-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 09:44:59 +0100 Frank Murphy wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=982608 -- Regards, Frank "When in doubt PANIC!" I check for new mail app. 20min www.frankly3d.com -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.o

Re: Rawhide: /run/initramfs/sosreport.txt stuck.

2013-07-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 11:35:32 +0100 "Bryn M. Reeves" wrote: > On 07/09/2013 09:44 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > > Am running Rawhide on a Dell Vostro 200. > > > > This is the only kernel that works (F19 days) > > kernel-3.9.8-300.fc19.x86_64 > > > > F20 kernels fails at "cryptsetup my root device" >

Re: user list

2013-07-09 Thread Karel Volný
Dne neděle, 7. července 2013 15:33:55 CEST, Michal Jaegermann napsal(a): than a small few accounts on a machine and it is a very bad security practice to display to any passerby what are valid logins on a given machine. Another gross anti-security misfeature is to have your name permanently stu

Re: systemd depends so heavily on a files it can not reboot

2013-07-09 Thread Karel Volný
Dne pondělí, 8. července 2013 14:03:00 CEST, Adam Pribyl napsal(a): So to avoid the worst - the need to interrupt the power and risk the damage to all other mounted file systems, I'd like to open a discussion on enabling the sysrq in Fedora by default to work around this feature: https://bugz

Re: Rawhide: /run/initramfs/sosreport.txt stuck.

2013-07-09 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 07/09/2013 09:44 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > Am running Rawhide on a Dell Vostro 200. > > This is the only kernel that works (F19 days) > kernel-3.9.8-300.fc19.x86_64 > > F20 kernels fails at "cryptsetup my root device" > > > Am left at the following prompt: > :#/ > following the instructions

Rawhide: /run/initramfs/sosreport.txt stuck.

2013-07-09 Thread Frank Murphy
Am running Rawhide on a Dell Vostro 200. This is the only kernel that works (F19 days) kernel-3.9.8-300.fc19.x86_64 F20 kernels fails at "cryptsetup my root device" Am left at the following prompt: :#/ following the instructions at the prompt, mount /boot mount is not recongised. as is not cp,

Re: systemd depends so heavily on a files it can not reboot

2013-07-09 Thread Gavin Flower
On 09/07/13 20:22, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 07/08/2013 09:39 AM, John Reiser wrote: 1. Install a userid whose login shell is /usr/bin/sync (or a script which does "sync; sync") 2. Login as the sync user (twice, perhaps.) Running sync multiple times doesn't have any particular purpose on Li

Re: systemd depends so heavily on a files it can not reboot

2013-07-09 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 07/08/2013 09:39 AM, John Reiser wrote: 1. Install a userid whose login shell is /usr/bin/sync (or a script which does "sync; sync") 2. Login as the sync user (twice, perhaps.) Running sync multiple times doesn't have any particular purpose on Linux. http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/bl