Re: Proposed validation test case: root on LVM thinp

2013-12-16 Thread Harald Hoyer
On 12/14/2013 01:49 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 15:49 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 13, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I meant to write this test case anyhow, but today's brown paper bag bug -

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On mán 16.des 2013 20:32, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 12:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Right now me, James Laska, Will Woods and Jesse Keating are the admins of the QA group. This is obviously a bit silly. I'll drop jlaska's, wwoods' and jesses' admin roles, and make some

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 20:40 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On mán 16.des 2013 20:23, Adam Williamson wrote: How does that sound? Seems like something we can just get done already. It sounds like a bad plan revoke the QA group previously occupied and manage by RH staff only and I'm

Re: F20: System doesn't resume correctly from suspend any more

2013-12-16 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:47 PM, nonamedotc nonamed...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/11/2013 06:57 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Ankur Sinha sanjay.an...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 17:25 -0600, nonamedotc wrote: Is anyone still seeing this? Just curious as I

Re: F20: System doesn't resume correctly from suspend any more

2013-12-16 Thread nonamedotc
On 12/16/2013 03:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:47 PM, nonamedotc nonamed...@gmail.com wrote: I might be **misunderstanding** - but with the kernel-3.12.5-301, the suspend issue seems to be gone (in my tests - 3 repetitions). Suspend *seems to work* without issues - Is

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Mike Ruckman
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:23:32 -0800 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: So I'm proposing we do something simple: let's just go ahead and stick everyone who can reasonably be considered a 'QA team member' in the FAS 'qa' group. This wouldn't be hard to do, I can make sure sufficient

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On mán 16.des 2013 21:00, Adam Williamson wrote: Even though we don't really have a lot of use for the FAS group, None what so ever. Fedora as a whole is set up such that 'being a member of a FAS group' is a bar to entry for some things, Not with us and never should be. so it seems

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 21:35 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On mán 16.des 2013 21:00, Adam Williamson wrote: Even though we don't really have a lot of use for the FAS group, None what so ever. Actually, there is one, I forgot to mention it: we can have 'qa' inherit 'fedorabugs', which

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Mike Ruckman
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:35:56 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On mán 16.des 2013 21:00, Adam Williamson wrote: Even though we don't really have a lot of use for the FAS group, None what so ever. Fedora as a whole is set up such that 'being a member of a FAS

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Dan Mossor
On 12/16/2013 03:35 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On mán 16.des 2013 21:00, Adam Williamson wrote: Even though we don't really have a lot of use for the FAS group, None what so ever. Fedora as a whole is set up such that 'being a member of a FAS group' is a bar to entry for some

Re: F20: System doesn't resume correctly from suspend any more

2013-12-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 14:09 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:47 PM, nonamedotc nonamed...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/11/2013 06:57 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Ankur Sinha sanjay.an...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 17:25 -0600, nonamedotc

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On mán 16.des 2013 21:48, Dan Mossor wrote: I may be misinterpreting, but what do you have against volunteers? Especially since Fedora is a volunteer-driven project? Dont fall into whatever game Adam is playing by reviving this group. JBG -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: F20: System doesn't resume correctly from suspend any more

2013-12-16 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 16, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 14:09 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:47 PM, nonamedotc nonamed...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/11/2013 06:57 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Ankur Sinha

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 21:57:41 +, \Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\ johan...@gmail.com wrote: On mán 16.des 2013 21:48, Dan Mossor wrote: I may be misinterpreting, but what do you have against volunteers? Especially since Fedora is a volunteer-driven project? Dont fall into whatever game Adam

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On mán 16.des 2013 21:45, Mike Ruckman wrote: For those of us who haven't been with QA for even a year yet, can you give a brief too long; didn't read synopsis of your reasoning and where it stems from? Without some form of background it's hard to infer what your reasoning is. You can look at

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 22:06:44 +, \Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\ johan...@gmail.com wrote: Adam is right about what's wrong but as so often he's trying to fix it in the wrong place... Access to those reources are controlled by group membership. So we either add people to a group or get the

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 21:57 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On mán 16.des 2013 21:48, Dan Mossor wrote: I may be misinterpreting, but what do you have against volunteers? Especially since Fedora is a volunteer-driven project? Dont fall into whatever game Adam is playing by reviving

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 16, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On mán 16.des 2013 21:45, Mike Ruckman wrote: For those of us who haven't been with QA for even a year yet, can you give a brief too long; didn't read synopsis of your reasoning and where it stems from? Without

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 22:06 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On mán 16.des 2013 21:45, Mike Ruckman wrote: For those of us who haven't been with QA for even a year yet, can you give a brief too long; didn't read synopsis of your reasoning and where it stems from? Without some form of

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On mán 16.des 2013 22:08, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 22:06:44 +, \Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\ johan...@gmail.com wrote: Adam is right about what's wrong but as so often he's trying to fix it in the wrong place... Access to those reources are controlled by group

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On mán 16.des 2013 22:10, Adam Williamson wrote: I'm not playing any game...in fact, the thing that prompted me to finally write this email was Dan asking on #fedora-qa if there was a FAS group we could put him in so he'd have fedorapeople space! The limit that group entirely with providing

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 22:16 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On mán 16.des 2013 22:10, Adam Williamson wrote: I'm not playing any game...in fact, the thing that prompted me to finally write this email was Dan asking on #fedora-qa if there was a FAS group we could put him in so he'd have

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On mán 16.des 2013 22:22, Adam Williamson wrote: If you mean Then limit that group entirely with providing him and others with that. - well, that's already what we'd be doing. The proposal isn't to make the QA group required for anything at all in relation to QA. The proposal is just to add all

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On mán 16.des 2013 22:12, Adam Williamson wrote: What, in your estimation, would be the right place? Instead of just saying 'no', can you provide an alternative solution to the problem? Solution to fix this lies not within in us ( QA ) the alternative solution requires a real change in the

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
I'm still scratching my head over the other applications not saving/restoring correctly, but xfce4-terminal at least is fixed in an update I just pushed. Testing and karma welcome: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xfce4-terminal-0.6.2-3.fc19

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread nonamedotc
On 12/16/2013 04:06 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 21:57:41 +, The game is to treat QA volunteers like other contributors. That way they don't have to also become packagers (or something else) in order to participate in Fedora Elections or make use of resources

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Mike Ruckman
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:26:08 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On mán 16.des 2013 22:22, Adam Williamson wrote: If you mean Then limit that group entirely with providing him and others with that. - well, that's already what we'd be doing. The proposal isn't to make

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Mike Ruckman
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:33:05 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On mán 16.des 2013 22:12, Adam Williamson wrote: What, in your estimation, would be the right place? Instead of just saying 'no', can you provide an alternative solution to the problem? Solution to fix

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread R P Herrold
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Bruno Wolff III wrote: The game is to treat QA volunteers like other contributors. That way they don't have to also become packagers (or something else) in order to participate in Fedora Elections or make use of resources limited to people who are in more than just

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 22:26 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On mán 16.des 2013 22:22, Adam Williamson wrote: If you mean Then limit that group entirely with providing him and others with that. - well, that's already what we'd be doing. The proposal isn't to make the QA group required

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 22:33 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On mán 16.des 2013 22:12, Adam Williamson wrote: What, in your estimation, would be the right place? Instead of just saying 'no', can you provide an alternative solution to the problem? Solution to fix this lies not within in

Fedora 19 updates-testing report

2013-12-16 Thread updates
The following Fedora 19 Security updates need testing: Age URL 79 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-17836/davfs2-1.4.7-3.fc19 59 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-19262/quassel-0.9.1-1.fc19 51

Fedora 18 updates-testing report

2013-12-16 Thread updates
The following Fedora 18 Security updates need testing: Age URL 240 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-6117/eucalyptus-3.2.2-1.fc18 87 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-17195/spice-gtk-0.18-3.fc18 81

Re: Draft combined checksums test case and sanity matrix

2013-12-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2013-12-15 at 20:18 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Hi, folks. So I've had this on my todo list for the last three weeks (oops...): adamw to draft a new test case and matrix row for validating cloud image checksums So I finally got around to doing it. Looking at how to integrate a

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Bob Lightfoot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Let me make sure I have this correct. {I had to read 20+ emails to condense it, I may have missed something} PROBLEM STATEMENT: There exists and will continue to exist persons who participate in and assist the QA process in quantifiable ways. These

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 20:12 -0500, Bob Lightfoot wrote: Let me make sure I have this correct. {I had to read 20+ emails to condense it, I may have missed something} PROBLEM STATEMENT: There exists and will continue to exist persons who participate in and assist the QA process in quantifiable

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-16 Thread nonamedotc
On 12/16/2013 04:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I'm still scratching my head over the other applications not saving/restoring correctly, but xfce4-terminal at least is fixed in an update I just pushed. Testing and karma welcome: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xfce4-terminal-0.6.2-3.fc19

Re: Proposed validation test case: root on LVM thinp

2013-12-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 14:13 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: I meant to write this test case anyhow, but today's brown paper bag bug - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1040669 - gives it a certain sense of importance, so I thought I'd best get it done now. I wrote

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Ankur Sinha
Thank you for the summary Bob. I was necessary. On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 20:12 -0500, Bob Lightfoot wrote: Let me make sure I have this correct. {I had to read 20+ emails to condense it, I may have missed something} PROBLEM STATEMENT: There exists and will continue to exist persons who

RE: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread John Dulaney
Ahoy, So, I am with Adam on this one (I'm not a mod?).  I've been +1 for this idea for quite some time now. Johann, I've been around for a long time, even longer than Adam, and I don't remember the original purpose for the QA group; I do vaguely recall James Laska telling me it had some purpose

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Akshay Vyas
So I'm proposing we do something simple: let's just go ahead and stick everyone who can reasonably be considered a 'QA team member' in the FAS 'qa' group. This wouldn't be hard to do, I can make sure sufficient people within and outside RH have moderator status in the qa group, and then

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-16 Thread Pete Travis
On Dec 16, 2013 1:23 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, folks. So this one keeps popping up for individual people, and we keep doing a quick band-aid when anyone needs group membership...but we may as well just bite the bullet and do it properly. Fedora QA has always been

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-16 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/16/2013 11:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I'm still scratching my head over the other applications not saving/restoring correctly, but xfce4-terminal at least is fixed in an update I just pushed. Thanks for taking care about this issue. Testing and karma welcome: