Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-20 Thread Karel Volný
Dne Út 17. dubna 2012 16:36:08, Adam Williamson napsal(a): On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 14:36 +0200, Karel Volný wrote: now if there is only one volume control, how do I express that I want to mute the microphone and set the line-in to some value? PA doesn't treat this as a question of volumes

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-20 Thread Karel Volný
Dne Út 17. dubna 2012 22:02:40, Samuel Sieb napsal(a): John Morris wrote: It doesn't. And nobody cares, go buy hardware that works the way Pottering imagines it 'should' work is the closest you will get to real world advice. It doesn't actually exist mind you, so you can't really buy

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-20 Thread John Morris
On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 17:46 +0200, Karel Volný wrote: Either way, file a bug report that's what I've done - would you dare to guess what is the reaction? Not our problem? They have a very good SEP field generator. Yes, there is usually some initial pain when major subsystems like

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 16:55 +0200, Karel Volný wrote: Dne Út 17. dubna 2012 16:36:08, Adam Williamson napsal(a): On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 14:36 +0200, Karel Volný wrote: now if there is only one volume control, how do I express that I want to mute the microphone and set the line-in to

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 17:46 +0200, Karel Volný wrote: - but I repeat I never had, 'cause ine pre-PA years I've been using cards with hardware mixing; owners of the cheap integrated ones may see that as a benefit, as previous attempts like ESD or aRts weren't much better than PA either I

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-17 Thread Karel Volný
Dne Ne 15. dubna 2012 12:26:21, stan napsal(a): On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:27:26 -0400 Jonathan Kamens j...@kamens.us wrote: These are not esoteric settings that only audiophiles use. I have to tweak them/regularly/ to get my speakers, headset, and microphone to play nicely together, due to

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2012-04-15 at 19:48 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 04:23:31PM -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: On 04/15/2012 04:27 PM, stan wrote: A thought on this. I'm not that familiar with pulseaudio, but some of these settings *are* available in the pavucontrol

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 12:04 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: None of them would. PulseAudio is at a higher level than ALSA and does not actually provide any kind of interface (user-interfacing, or API) for controlling individual ALSA mixer channels as Jon wants to. It's not what PA is _for_.

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-17 Thread Jonathan Kamens
On 4/17/2012 7:25 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: Well put Adam, thanks. That being said, we certainly want to provide enough control to let people use their sound cards. If something is missing, by all means, let us know. But I need control on the level of picture of alsa mixer is not a very

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-17 Thread Richard Shaw
I've been following this thread with interest so I did some searching and found alsamixergui which is UGLY. I also found gnome-alsamixer for Debian/Ubuntu. The upstream seems to be dead but Debian is keeping it going, probably from lack of an alternative. Between the SRPM from ATRPMs (Why is this

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-17 Thread Brendan Jones
On 04/17/2012 04:54 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: I've been following this thread with interest so I did some searching and found alsamixergui which is UGLY. I also found gnome-alsamixer for Debian/Ubuntu. The upstream seems to be dead but Debian is keeping it going, probably from lack of an

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-17 Thread Kevin Fenzi
You could try xfce4-mixer. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 14:36 +0200, Karel Volný wrote: now if there is only one volume control, how do I express that I want to mute the microphone and set the line-in to some value? PA doesn't treat this as a question of volumes but a question of inputs, or, as GNOME volume control puts it,

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-17 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Brendan Jones brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote: Qastools is coming to Fedora soon which is Qt based [1]. It is also being used in the Qt Razor desktop which I hope will make it to Fedora someday [1] http://xwmw.org/qastools/ Trying it out now. If I like it

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-17 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Brendan Jones brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote: Qastools is coming to Fedora soon which is Qt based [1]. It is also being used in the Qt Razor desktop which I hope will make it to Fedora someday [1] http://xwmw.org/qastools/ Try this:

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-17 Thread Brendan Jones
On 04/17/2012 06:13 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Brendan Jones brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote: Qastools is coming to Fedora soon which is Qt based [1]. It is also being used in the Qt Razor desktop which I hope will make it to Fedora someday [1]

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-17 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Brendan Jones brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/17/2012 06:13 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Brendan Jones brendan.jones...@gmail.com  wrote: Qastools is coming to Fedora soon which is Qt based [1]. It is also being used in

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-17 Thread Richard Shaw
Review request submitted! https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=813420 Richard -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-17 Thread drago01
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Jonathan Kamens j...@kamens.us wrote: If ALSA and pulseaudio worked better together, i.e., they were, between the two of them, smart enough to automatically DTRT with the low-level sound settings, then there would be no need for anyone but the real audiophiles

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-17 Thread Samuel Sieb
John Morris wrote: It doesn't. And nobody cares, go buy hardware that works the way Pottering imagines it 'should' work is the closest you will get to real world advice. It doesn't actually exist mind you, so you can't really buy it. You will just have to imagine how wonderful it would be. It

Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-15 Thread Jonathan Kamens
I finally uninstalled the long-orphaned gmixer RPM when I upgraded to F17. I clung to gmixer for far longer than I should have because as far as I could tell, it was the only GUI which gave me granular access to sound settings. I've searched in F17 since

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-15 Thread Jonathan Kamens
On 04/15/2012 02:12 PM, stan wrote: On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:32:27 -0400 Jonathan Kamens j...@kamens.us wrote: In particular, I would like to be able to control things at this level: came through blank here

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-15 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/15/2012 06:27 PM, Jonathan Kamens wrote: I love a lot of things about Fedora, but one of the things I absolutely hate is its penchant for ripping out things that work and replacing them with things that don't have nearly the same functionality, perhaps with an amorphous functionality

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-15 Thread stan
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:27:26 -0400 Jonathan Kamens j...@kamens.us wrote: These are not esoteric settings that only audiophiles use. I have to tweak them/regularly/ to get my speakers, headset, and microphone to play nicely together, due to another bug, i.e., that Fedora doesn't seem to

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-15 Thread stan
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:27:26 -0400 Jonathan Kamens j...@kamens.us wrote: I understand what you are saying, but you're missing the point. /It should not be this hard/ to access detailed sound settings. If Fedora is going to use pulseaudio, then pulseaudio needs to provide access to these

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-15 Thread Jonathan Kamens
On 04/15/2012 04:27 PM, stan wrote: A thought on this. I'm not that familiar with pulseaudio, but some of these settings *are* available in the pavucontrol application. It is a separate package you can install, called, strangely enough, pavucontrol. There are other pulse control applications,

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-15 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
My particular requirement is to control the audio input selection, mute, and level on an Asus Xonar sound card. The only thing that I found able to control that is gnome-control-center sound. Accordingly I have to create a launcher on my Xfce desktop. It would be nice if the ordering of audio

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-15 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 04:23:31PM -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: On 04/15/2012 04:27 PM, stan wrote: A thought on this. I'm not that familiar with pulseaudio, but some of these settings *are* available in the pavucontrol application. It is a separate package you can install, called,

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-15 Thread Jonathan Kamens
On 04/15/2012 09:48 PM, Michal Jaegermann wrote: 'yum search pulse' shows, among many other things, these: paman.x86_64 : Management tool for PulseAudio paprefs.x86_64 : Management tool for PulseAudio pavumeter.x86_64 : Volume meter for PulseAudio Maybe some of these will do what you desire?

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-15 Thread stan
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:35:31 -0700 Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com wrote: My particular requirement is to control the audio input selection, mute, and level on an Asus Xonar sound card. The only thing that I found able to control that is gnome-control-center sound. Accordingly I

Re: Inadequate sound device control

2012-04-15 Thread stan
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:23:31 -0400 Jonathan Kamens j...@kamens.us wrote: On 04/15/2012 04:27 PM, stan wrote: A thought on this. I'm not that familiar with pulseaudio, but some of these settings *are* available in the pavucontrol application. It is a separate package you can install,