Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 16:16 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 14:10:31 -0700, > Adam Williamson wrote: > >On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 15:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:56:41 -0700, > >> Adam Williamson wrote: > >> > > >> >http://koji.fedorapro

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-06-25 16:50 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed: On 2014-06-25 12:53 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: Good spot - that may very well be your issue, yeah, since you're using a CRT display. It would also explain why I can't reproduce the bug on my Intel graphics system, which is a lapto

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 14:10:31 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 15:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:56:41 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > >http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=7076318 > >assuming it builds successfully (AdamW Pat

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 15:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:56:41 -0700, > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > >http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=7076318 > > > >assuming it builds successfully (AdamW Patching C: Take Cover!), if you > >could test with that it

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-06-25 12:53 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: Good spot - that may very well be your issue, yeah, since you're using a CRT display. It would also explain why I can't reproduce the bug on my Intel graphics system, which is a laptop. The i915G at least also puts to sleep my 1440x900 L

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:56:41 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=7076318 assuming it builds successfully (AdamW Patching C: Take Cover!), if you could test with that it'd be good. I'm installing it now. Should be about 30 minutes before I get

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 22:50 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 19:22:05 -0700, > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > >The most obvious thing is whether you have a SXXservice symlink > >in /etc/rc*.d; that constitutes the service being 'enabled' so far as > >SysV is concerned, and s

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 14:59 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2014-06-25 10:08 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: > > > On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 10:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > >> I'm curious: why are you passing video= parameters on each one? Do > >> any/all of them work if you don't pass th

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-06-25 10:08 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 10:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: I'm curious: why are you passing video= parameters on each one? Do any/all of them work if you don't pass that parameter? ...and does it work if you append an 'e': video=10

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread poma
On 25.06.2014 20:10, Felix Miata wrote: On 2014-06-25 10:05 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: So...these are three different machines? 3 out of 14 on which Rawhide is currently installed (test machines total 20+) here, among which are represented various flavors of MGA (400 & 550), SiS (Z7

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread poma
On 25.06.2014 20:09, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 19:58 +0200, poma wrote: On 25.06.2014 19:08, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 10:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 12:02 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: On 2014-06-25 08:12 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 14:10 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2014-06-25 10:05 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: > > > So...these are three different machines? > > 3 out of 14 on which Rawhide is currently installed (test machines total 20+) > here, among which are represented various flavors of

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-06-25 10:05 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: So...these are three different machines? 3 out of 14 on which Rawhide is currently installed (test machines total 20+) here, among which are represented various flavors of MGA (400 & 550), SiS (Z7/Z9 XG20 core), Intel (810, 815, 845, 8

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 19:58 +0200, poma wrote: > On 25.06.2014 19:08, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 10:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 12:02 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > >>> On 2014-06-25 08:12 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: > >>> > > Where di

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread poma
On 25.06.2014 19:08, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 10:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 12:02 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: On 2014-06-25 08:12 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: Where did you see "X initialization fails"? I've been booting with 3 on cmdline.

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 10:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 12:02 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > On 2014-06-25 08:12 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: > > > > >> Where did you see "X initialization fails"? I've been booting with 3 on > > >> cmdline. Anyway, here's 2 of 3 dr

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 12:02 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2014-06-25 08:12 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: > > >> Where did you see "X initialization fails"? I've been booting with 3 on > >> cmdline. Anyway, here's 2 of 3 drm.debug=15 dmesgs captured: > > >> http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/F/

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-06-25 08:12 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: Where did you see "X initialization fails"? I've been booting with 3 on cmdline. Anyway, here's 2 of 3 drm.debug=15 dmesgs captured: http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/F/dmsgI865Gf21k316rc2g01.txt

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Christopher Meng
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/F/dmsgI945Gf21k316rc2g01.txt > > What is this from? Thanks. I think it's from dmesg. Yours sincerely, Christopher Meng Noob here. http://cicku.me -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsu

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 09:06 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2014-06-24 23:34 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: > > >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1104371 > ... > >> Are you sure what I described in that bug is different? > > > > Well, it's impossible to be *sure* unless you pr

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread poma
On 24.06.2014 21:56, Felix Miata wrote: On 2014-06-23 17:07 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed: On 2014-06-23 11:34 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: All 3.16 kernels before 3.16.0-0.rc2.git0.1 are just fundamentally broken on i686, I think, unless you pass 'vdso=0'. I wouldn't bother messin

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-06-24 23:34 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1104371 ... Are you sure what I described in that bug is different? Well, it's impossible to be *sure* unless you provide the necessary logs, as I mentioned above. No-one can pretend to

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:24 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 19:48 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 13:52:10 -0500, >> Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> >On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:34:53 -0700, >> > Adam Williamson wrote: >> >> >> >>All 3.16 kernels before 3.

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-25 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 04:30:59PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > I think the "Could not find init script" errors are probably due to this > 'dangling symlink' problem, and the fact that .service files are being > generated is intentional - just the way systemd is handling remaining > sysv serv

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 23:54 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2014-06-24 15:13 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: > > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1104371 > > > Well, I wouldn't say scolded. Hans just asked you politely to file a new > > bug, since you have clearly different hard

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-06-24 15:13 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1104371 Well, I wouldn't say scolded. Hans just asked you politely to file a new bug, since you have clearly different hardware. The Intel i8xx adapters are notoriously tricky hardware, and qu

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 19:22:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: The most obvious thing is whether you have a SXXservice symlink in /etc/rc*.d; that constitutes the service being 'enabled' so far as SysV is concerned, and so in that case it seems correct for systemd to enable the runtime-generat

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 19:48 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 13:52:10 -0500, > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:34:53 -0700, > > Adam Williamson wrote: > >> > >>All 3.16 kernels before 3.16.0-0.rc2.git0.1 are just fundamentally > >>broken on i686, I th

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 19:45 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 16:30:59 -0700, > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > >I think the "Could not find init script" errors are probably due to this > >'dangling symlink' problem, and the fact that .service files are being > >generated is i

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 13:52:10 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:34:53 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: All 3.16 kernels before 3.16.0-0.rc2.git0.1 are just fundamentally broken on i686, I think, unless you pass 'vdso=0'. I wouldn't bother messing with anything unless y

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 16:30:59 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: I think the "Could not find init script" errors are probably due to this 'dangling symlink' problem, and the fact that .service files are being generated is intentional - just the way systemd is handling remaining sysv services - a

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 19:52 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2014-06-24 16:35 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: > > > I'm using Firefox. The version field is a bit further down the form than > > you might be looking, perhaps? > > That's it, a list made obtuse by so many things in between out of

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-06-24 16:35 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: I'm using Firefox. The version field is a bit further down the form than you might be looking, perhaps? That's it, a list made obtuse by so many things in between out of logical order, and populated by a big bunch of lines with single d

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 19:33 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2014-06-24 16:12 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: > > >> I've been avoiding that lately because I search for an existing bug first, > >> and someone's wisdom has seen fit to make that unduly difficult by > >> excluding > >> any option

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-06-24 16:12 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: I've been avoiding that lately because I search for an existing bug first, and someone's wisdom has seen fit to make that unduly difficult by excluding any option in the product list to select a particular release or Rawhide rather than si

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 16:13 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 00:11 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > >> >BTW, Adam, there are people running & testing Rawhide on i686! :) > > >> > > >> Yes, and I am backlogged getting bugs filed for issues I am having. > > >> I have at least two

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 00:11 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> >BTW, Adam, there are people running & testing Rawhide on i686! :) > >> > >> Yes, and I am backlogged getting bugs filed for issues I am having. > >> I have at least two different problems with 3.16 kernels that make them > >> unusable f

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 19:01 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2014-06-24 15:13 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: > > > Hans just asked you politely to file a new bug > > I've been avoiding that lately because I search for an existing bug first, > and someone's wisdom has seen fit to make that un

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Peter Robinson
>> >BTW, Adam, there are people running & testing Rawhide on i686! :) >> >> Yes, and I am backlogged getting bugs filed for issues I am having. >> I have at least two different problems with 3.16 kernels that make them >> unusable for me. >> >> There might be a problem with systemd creating init fi

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-06-24 15:13 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: Hans just asked you politely to file a new bug I've been avoiding that lately because I search for an existing bug first, and someone's wisdom has seen fit to make that unduly difficult by excluding any option in the product list to se

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 17:07 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2014-06-23 11:34 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: > > > All 3.16 kernels before 3.16.0-0.rc2.git0.1 are just fundamentally > > broken on i686, I think, unless you pass 'vdso=0'. I wouldn't bother > > messing with anything unless you're

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-24 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-06-23 17:07 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed: On 2014-06-23 11:34 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: All 3.16 kernels before 3.16.0-0.rc2.git0.1 are just fundamentally broken on i686, I think, unless you pass 'vdso=0'. I wouldn't bother messing with anything unless you're using the r

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-23 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-06-23 11:34 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: All 3.16 kernels before 3.16.0-0.rc2.git0.1 are just fundamentally broken on i686, I think, unless you pass 'vdso=0'. I wouldn't bother messing with anything unless you're using the rc2 kernel, or passing vdso=0. That doesn't help here:

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-23 Thread poma
On 23.06.2014 20:44, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 20:10:32 +0200, poma wrote: You're talking about systemd-214-3.fc21(2014-06-23), right? systemd-214-2.fc21 I haven't tested systemd-214-3.fc21 yet to see if the problem is still there. I'm spinning md1, what worries yo

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:34:53 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: systemd doesn't just 'create init files', I don't think. It *does* have a concept of dependencies, which could account for this effect. Something is creating ones during boot since about a month ago. They are in a scratch locati

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 20:10:32 +0200, poma wrote: You're talking about systemd-214-3.fc21(2014-06-23), right? systemd-214-2.fc21 I haven't tested systemd-214-3.fc21 yet to see if the problem is still there. I'm spinning md1, what worries you there? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 12:36 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 19:13:36 +0200, > poma wrote: > > > >BTW, Adam, there are people running & testing Rawhide on i686! :) > > Yes, and I am backlogged getting bugs filed for issues I am having. > I have at least two different pro

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-23 Thread poma
On 06/23/2014 07:36 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 19:13:36 +0200, poma wrote: BTW, Adam, there are people running & testing Rawhide on i686! :) Yes, and I am backlogged getting bugs filed for issues I am having. I have at least two different problems with 3.16 kernels

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 19:13:36 +0200, poma wrote: BTW, Adam, there are people running & testing Rawhide on i686! :) Yes, and I am backlogged getting bugs filed for issues I am having. I have at least two different problems with 3.16 kernels that make them unusable for me. There might b

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-23 Thread poma
On 06/23/2014 06:28 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 05:03 +0200, poma wrote: Not only LightDM, but all tested display managers refuse to work. There might be a general strike on i686 avenue. :) Already reported, diagnosed and fixed upstream. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_b

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 05:03 +0200, poma wrote: > Not only LightDM, but all tested display managers refuse to work. > There might be a general strike on i686 avenue. :) Already reported, diagnosed and fixed upstream. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1110968 . I expect jwb will backport

Re: 3.16.x on i686

2014-06-22 Thread poma
On 22.06.2014 04:34, poma wrote: 3.16.0-0.rc1.git4.1.fc21.i686 #1 Not tainted LightDM, SDDM, GDM are failing. Interestingly, there are no errors in Xorg.0.log, (II) NOUVEAU(0): Output DVI-I-1 connected startx works for user and startxfce4 for root. :) journal: systemd[1]: Starting Light Displa