On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 00:46 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 08:56 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >> On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 10:09 +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
> >> > Dne čtvrtek, 20. června 2013 18:38:41 CEST, Adam Williamson
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 08:56 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 10:09 +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
>> > Dne čtvrtek, 20. června 2013 18:38:41 CEST, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
>> > > On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 12:31 +0200, Karel
On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 08:56 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 10:09 +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
> > Dne čtvrtek, 20. června 2013 18:38:41 CEST, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
> > > On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 12:31 +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
> > >> hm, does the install from Live work like a
On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 10:09 +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
> Dne čtvrtek, 20. června 2013 18:38:41 CEST, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
> > On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 12:31 +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
> >> hm, does the install from Live work like a clean install (the
> >> same as netinstall for example), or does
On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 04:22:39 -0400
Felix Miata wrote:
> Furthermore, I require maximum installation time configurability. No live
> media installer I've ever tried has offered anything remotely close to
> meeting this requirement.
Well, Fedora 19 solves your problem then, since the "full"
insta
On 2013-06-21 10:09 (GMT+0200) Karel Volný composed:
/me just votes for supporting different Lives with different UIs, not only the
GNOME Shell based one
Won't work for me. I do a lot of installs, but few or only one of any given
version, so most of the time I only download what's going to g
Dne čtvrtek, 20. června 2013 18:38:41 CEST, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 12:31 +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
hm, does the install from Live work like a clean install (the
same as netinstall for example), or does it still work the old
style, i.e. you can't choose different files
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013, Adam Williamson wrote:
There are probably a thousand questions we could ask at the first stage
of install that would allow various small groups of people to have a
more 'tailored' installer in some way. How do you decide which to ask
and which not to ask?
One might put all
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 12:31 +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
> Dne čtvrtek, 20. června 2013 5:01:12 CEST, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
> > Right, right now you could run anaconda from the desktop live and use
> > GNOME's A11y features. We don't really test that, but it's there as an
> > option.
>
> hm, do
Dne čtvrtek, 20. června 2013 5:01:12 CEST, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
Right, right now you could run anaconda from the desktop live and use
GNOME's A11y features. We don't really test that, but it's there as an
option.
hm, does the install from Live work like a clean install (the same as
neti
On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 16:21 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 15:19 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said:
> > > It's not a reason not to 'have a feature', but it may be a reason not to
> > > implement a feature in a particular way.
> > >
On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 15:19 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said:
> > It's not a reason not to 'have a feature', but it may be a reason not to
> > implement a feature in a particular way.
> >
> > There are probably a thousand questions we could ask at the fir
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said:
> It's not a reason not to 'have a feature', but it may be a reason not to
> implement a feature in a particular way.
>
> There are probably a thousand questions we could ask at the first stage
> of install that would allow various small groups of peopl
On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 12:59 -0300, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
>
>
>
> It'd be an improvement for the still small number of people
> who need it.
> For everyone else it'd be a pointless question, which is one
> of the
> things we've been trying t
On 19 June 2013 17:46, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 10:41 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Jun 2013, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 15:02 -0500, John Morris wrote:
> >
> > >> So lemme recap what you have been saying in this and other posts..
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:59:57 -0300
Bruno Medeiros wrote:
>
> I don't need this problem fixed personally, but if I were in
> position, I would consider ideas to fix the problem for people who
> have it, specially if the problem is a big problem (not being able
> to read the text, for example).
M
On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 10:41 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 15:02 -0500, John Morris wrote:
>
> >> So lemme recap what you have been saying in this and other posts The
> >> current design breaks both internationalization
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 15:02 -0500, John Morris wrote:
So lemme recap what you have been saying in this and other posts The
current design breaks both internationalization and accessability and
you recognize that reality. Fixing these problems i
On 2013-06-18 16:26 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
You can't
just assume the DPI given for a display is correct or appropriate; the
situation is far more complex.
I agree unconditionally.
'Let's size everything physically!' seems
like a neat idea when you first read about it, but it ne
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 18:26 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> I'm not saying make text bigger unconditionally. I'm saying text needs to be
> sized in a reasonable (aka fully rational) relationship to both device
> density and user characteristics, not stuffing gray 9px or 10px text down the
> throats
On 2013-06-18 13:51 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 15:02 -0500, John Morris wrote:
though because well because.
What I'm saying is that there isn't a quick fix to this, which is what
Felix always suggests; his suggestions always boil down to "make the
fonts
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 15:02 -0500, John Morris wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 12:12 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > No, that's not the point at all. The point is that there is only so much
> > space for text in the UI. Have you tried running anaconda in Japanese or
> > German at 800x600? When
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 16:03 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:51:09 -0700
> Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > You're drawing an erroneous conclusion from a sample of two displays. It
> > is not always the case that larger displays have a higher native DPI
> > than smaller displays.
>
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:51:09 -0700
Adam Williamson wrote:
> You're drawing an erroneous conclusion from a sample of two displays. It
> is not always the case that larger displays have a higher native DPI
> than smaller displays.
So we just need to all chip in and buy the anaconda developers
one o
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 15:46 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> > Well, no, that's absolutely useless and just reviving a decade old
> > bikeshed. That is not what I was planning to do at all. Fixed 96dpi is a
> > ship that's sailed.
>
> It can't be denied that forcing is doing what it's doing. Whether t
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 15:46 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2013-06-15 12:12 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
>
> > The point is that there is only so much
> > space for text in the UI. Have you tried running anaconda in Japanese or
> > German at 800x600? When there's too much text on a spoke (
On 2013-06-15 12:14 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
Oh, and trying to size an entire UI in relative units in a GTK+/glade
project is a giant PITA, so far as I understand.
Maybe with the increasing disparity among environments the time has come to
retire it.
--
"The wise are known for th
On 2013-06-15 12:12 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
The point is that there is only so much
space for text in the UI. Have you tried running anaconda in Japanese or
German at 800x600? When there's too much text on a spoke (those are both
languages which use a lot of characters to say the sa
On 2013-06-15 15:04 (GMT-0400) Tom Horsley composed:
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:57:18 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:
X forced DPI = 96 on displays natively > 96 DPI causes a11y issues
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=974780
But you gotta be really careful :-). My Samsung TV I use as
a dis
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 12:12 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 14:57 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> > On 2013-06-15 08:08 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
> >
> > >> I would want (for F20 if possible) to be able to change the font size
> > >> easily.
> >
> > > It's really not
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 14:57 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2013-06-15 08:08 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
>
> >> I would want (for F20 if possible) to be able to change the font size
> >> easily.
>
> > It's really not technically possible to do that with how anaconda's
> > written.
>
> I
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:57:18 -0400
Felix Miata wrote:
> X forced DPI = 96 on displays natively > 96 DPI causes a11y issues
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=974780
But you gotta be really careful :-). My Samsung TV I use as
a display reports itself as 7 inches (it is really 46). If
it
On 2013-06-15 08:08 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
I would want (for F20 if possible) to be able to change the font size easily.
It's really not technically possible to do that with how anaconda's
written.
I suspect the solution is both possible, and easier than you think. Likely
it'
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 12:07 +0300, moshe nahmias wrote:
> I agree with Gavin, I have a poor vision because of Keratoconus and on
> most cases it's not easy or comfortable for me to read things when
> installing fedora.
>
> More important is that we should consider poor eyesight since we want
> any
On 15/06/13 16:22, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2013-06-14 12:53 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
[...]
Among the many other complaints other people have raised
about the installer, I don't recall one other person complaining about
text being too small.
Do you think people in the business of de
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