Re: [Texascavers] OT - consumer news

2007-08-28 Thread Laura Derrick
I have to admit being a bit of a light geek too. :::sheepish grin::: My favorite little light is the Fenix P1D CE. It's about the size of my thumb, uses one little CR123A battery (about half the size of a AA), and puts out a whopping 135 lumens with a really nice throw. It also has two

Re: [Texascavers] OT - consumer news

2007-08-28 Thread Bill Bentley
Locklear has met his LED rival... Bill - Original Message - From: Laura Derrick To: David Locklear Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - consumer news I have to admit being a bit of a light geek too.

[Texascavers] Servus XTP Caving Boot

2007-08-28 Thread Mark Passerby
Ani Safety now carries online the Servus XTP(Extra Traction Performance) Boot http://www.anisafety.com/index.aspx?Command=GroupInfoGroupID=205 or http://tinyurl.com/36tyu9 These are great caving boots!long life...tough...and great traction. You can also find them in Tractor Supply Retail

Re: [Texascavers] Coffee table books Religion...

2007-08-28 Thread Ryan Michael Lozano
Hi Bruce, I've really been enjoying your completely off-topic discussion of the Shuar, and it sounds as if our reading tastes run along the same lines, judging from the other tomes gracing our respective coffee tables, but is the anti-Christian, specifically anti-Catholic bit really

[Texascavers] Video on New Zealand cave rescue

2007-08-28 Thread addison
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2007/08/28/holmes.nz.cave.rescue.ap AA - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [Texascavers] OT - fuel efficient cars in the news

2007-08-28 Thread Ron Rutherford
I was just over in SouthWest England (Exeter). Many cars get over 60 MPG and several get 80+. These are small (by US standards) 2 - 4 seater, Diesel, standard transmission cars. At $9.00/Gallon (USD) I can see why they drive these. My question is: Why can't we buy these cars in the US? Safety

RE: [Texascavers] OT - fuel efficient cars in the news

2007-08-28 Thread Worsfold, John
It is worth noting that UK MPG are always more than US MPG as a UK gallon is 20% more than the US gallon As a side note; I am an engineer and in the UK I worked in metric units, in the US I work in English units!! John From: Ron Rutherford

[Texascavers] injured New Zealand caver is out

2007-08-28 Thread vivbone
Took 3 days, but they got him out OK. Looks like it's going to be a long recovery, but he'll be alright. More info: http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/1316907/1325468 -- Original message -- From: Geary Schindel gschin...@mindspring.com FYI, I've been to this area of

RE: [Texascavers] injured New Zealand caver is out

2007-08-28 Thread Louise Power
It was on the news here this a.m. From:vivb...@att.netTo:texascavers@texascavers.comSubject:[Texascavers] injured New Zealand caver is outDate:Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:06:04 +Received:from raistlin.wokka.org ([69.56.185.90]) by bay0-mc11-f7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft

[Texascavers] Cave hotel in Turkey

2007-08-28 Thread caverarch
Looks more like a shelter, but cool: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g297986-d618821-Reviews-Village_Cave_Hotel_in_Cavusin-Nevsehir_Cappadocia.html Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL

RE: [Texascavers] Cave hotel in Turkey

2007-08-28 Thread Louise Power
Being an archaeologist and all, you may be interested in this bit from a travel blog I found online: ...we arrived...in Cappodocia which is another incredible city. It is a UNESCO World Heritage Site, mainly due to the fairy chimneys in Goreme which is where we are based. A Fairy Chimney is a

RE: [Texascavers] Coffee table books

2007-08-28 Thread mark . alman
Wow, an interesting write-up, Sleaze! Did you ever find out why the guy was in the cage? Mark A. From: bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:06 PM To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; pitboun...@gmail.com;

Re: [Texascavers] Coffee table books

2007-08-28 Thread BMorgan994
Brain tumor! He needed to be in a cage as he was totally incapacitated. His wife Clementina was totally cool, but was regarded by his family as a witch who had caused his problems, this despite the fact that she ran her household better than any man, took care of their kids, and took care

Re: [Texascavers] Coffee table books

2007-08-28 Thread speleosteele
Getting back to coffee table books for a moment, a favorite of mine is UNDERGROUND BUILDINGS. This book includes a chapter about Arkansas' Beckham Creek Cave House, where I have been fortunate to sleep a few nights, and have even gone caving behind the house, which fills the entrance passages.

RE: [Texascavers] Coffee table books

2007-08-28 Thread Fritz Holt
I can't find this or any other spelling for this alleged cannibalistic tribe from South America that has produced shrunken human heads. I haven't been to the Houston Zoo in over 40 years but at one time the museum of natural history was housed within the zoo grounds and had a shrunken female head

RE: [Texascavers] Coffee table books

2007-08-28 Thread Louise Power
Fritz, I'm not sure where you looked, but when I did a web search, it came back with more than 15,000 hits. Some of the first few (not including the professional "head hunter" business Called Jivaro, Inc.whose..."goal is to provide fast effective staffing solutions by directly recruiting

[Texascavers] Christmas Mts and Capote Falls 2

2007-08-28 Thread gille
It occurs to me that sufficient people in Texas are also appalled that a non-profit organization could be easily formed to take the property in hand and manage it for the benefit of those of us crazy people who see and appreciate the beauty of the desert. I will be one of the first to sign on.

[Texascavers] Righteous diatribe

2007-08-28 Thread caverarch
SleazeWeasel, I enjoyed your religious invective, even though you insist that I go public with?my opinion?on TexasCavers.? (Ediger might chime in?to?second you sooner or later.)? It's too bad that my Florida Speleological Society friends and I in Gainesville failed to sweep away worldwide

Re: [Texascavers] Righteous diatribe

2007-08-28 Thread speleosteele
It could be that the most successful caver-religion is the Arkansas-based Churh of Janus Karst. I've heard that they have official non-profit tax status, beliefs in line with scientifically accepted geologic time models, a doctrine, bishops, rituals, and even fun. I've also been told that

Re: [Texascavers] Righteous diatribe

2007-08-28 Thread Louise Power
First one with a rational answer to the myth gets a free trip to the Creation Museum: http://www.creationmuseum.org/ From:speleoste...@tx.rr.comTo:cavera...@aol.comCC:Texascavers@texascavers.comSubject:Re: [Texascavers] Righteous diatribeDate:Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:18:00

[Texascavers] Righteous diatribe

2007-08-28 Thread BMorgan994
Speak not ill of the Newt! For he is with us, deep in aestivation beneath the earth awaiting the moment of His rebirth when he will emerge resplendent in his Cloak of Orange to choke the Ravens of Evil! Many Katuns may pass before his rebirth, for the dust of time is but a fart in the

Re: [Texascavers] Coffee table books Religion...

2007-08-28 Thread gille
-- Original message -- From: Ryan Michael Lozano texasmounta...@yahoo.com ... but is the anti-Christian, specifically anti-Catholic bit really necessary? Necessary, Ryan, is at the discretion of the writer, not the reader. And the relationships between the

[Texascavers] Righteous diatribe biotribe

2007-08-28 Thread gille
-- Original message -- From: cavera...@aol.com We attempted to proselytize for that mighty amphibian deity, The Great Newt, as the caver-based religion of the age.? Alas, our holy words were not heeded... We've made some good inroads with Oztotl. --Ediger

[Texascavers] Janus Karst diatribe

2007-08-28 Thread gille
I think these guys are caver off shoots of the Bob Dobbs cult (Saint Janus Hypercleats??? was an ArKansan). I'd recommend anyone to buy into their diatribe before buying into the hocus-pocus of any of the more established superstitions. --Ediger -- Original message

Re: [Texascavers] Janus Karst diatribe

2007-08-28 Thread Taylor
gi...@att.net wrote: I think these guys are caver off shoots of the Bob Dobbs cult (Saint Janus Hypercleats??? was an ArKansan). I'd recommend anyone to buy into their diatribe before buying into the hocus-pocus of any of the more established superstitions. Brothers, If this does not post

[Texascavers] Half Foot Ceiling Height Cave Font added

2007-08-28 Thread Mark Passerby
I have added 1/2 Foot Ceiling Height Cave Fonts to the Cave Font Download page at http://www.caves.com/fonts i.e. .5, 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, 5.5, 6.5, 7.5, 8.5, 9.5 The PDF Keymap is included in each Cave Font Download. For Drawing Programs---Simply type the Cave Fonts somewhere in your cave map

[Texascavers] OT - fuel efficient Gallons

2007-08-28 Thread gille
-- Original message -- From: Worsfold, John jpworsf...@mactec.com It is worth noting that UK MPG are always more than US MPG as a UK gallon is 20% more than the US gallon When I was in the 7th grade and studying volumes, my math teacher quoted this poem as an

[Texascavers] clash of cultures

2007-08-28 Thread Bill Mixon
I'm not religious myself, but I'm not sure that anything much has been lost if a local religion that includes shrinking heads of the witches whose bad juju killed the chief gets replaced by some off-beat version of Christianity. The vast majority of those people who worry about the loss of

RE: [Texascavers] clash of cultures

2007-08-28 Thread Louise Power
Just consider Heisenberg's uncertainty principle which says, in simple terms: Each new bit of information is gained at the cost of losing another.What are we losing when we gain additional information about what we like to call "primitive cultures?" What do they lose...or gain? What would it cost

Re: [Texascavers] clash of cultures

2007-08-28 Thread Scott
Heisenberg needed a bigger hard drive.. - Original Message - From: Louise Power To: bmixon...@austin.rr.com ; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:44 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] clash of cultures Just consider Heisenberg's uncertainty

Re: [Texascavers] clash of cultures

2007-08-28 Thread George Nincehelser
On 8/28/07, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Just consider Heisenberg's uncertainty principle which says, in simple terms: *Each new bit of information is gained at the cost of losing another.* What are we losing when we gain additional information about what we like to call

[Texascavers] More on the Barbados cave collapse :

2007-08-28 Thread JerryAtkin
Barbados Family Trapped as Home Collapses into Cave BRIDGETOWN, Barbados, August 27, 2007 - A section of an apartment block has collapsed into a cave after the roof of the subterranean cavern, on which it was constructed, crumbled early Sunday morning. A family of five is

[Texascavers] Honda Fit

2007-08-28 Thread Bill Mixon
Sorry to pull a Locklear off-topic I have a Fit. Thing to know is that you will have to wait months for one unless you buy it from a dealer who loads it with dealer-installed options and adds $$$ of extra dealer profit. That must be how somebody could owe more on one that it is worth. I

[Texascavers] Creation Museum

2007-08-28 Thread gille
It would be funny if it weren't so sad. --Ediger -- Original message -- From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com First one with a rational answer to the myth gets a free trip to the Creation Museum: http://www.creationmuseum.org/

RE: [Texascavers] Creation Museum

2007-08-28 Thread Kate Walker
Hey, I went there in June. It cost $25 to get in - $5 off if I joined the mailing list. So I did... using someone else's name and address (with permission). There's an introductory movie featuring the archangels Michael and Gabriel as white guys in white painter's overalls. The seats

Re: [Texascavers] Too Commonly Used Cave Names

2007-08-28 Thread JerryAtkin
In a message dated 8/27/2007 10:05:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, geo...@nincehelser.com writes: With the obvious problem with names, does anyone keep a registry where each cave is assigned a unique identifier? George The Texas Speleological Survey assigns each cave a unique identifier

[Texascavers] FW: Global Warming forms more ice in ice cave in Austria

2007-08-28 Thread gille
-- Forwarded Message: -- From: Cheryl Jones cheryl.ca...@verizon.net To: siv...@listserv.vt.edu Subject: Global Warming forms more ice in ice cave in Austria List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:10:02 + http://tinyurl.com/28b9wo

[Texascavers] Missionaries

2007-08-28 Thread BMorgan994
Once again, here on TexasCaver as on TAGnet, my mere mention of religion has made me an object of religious persecution! (Though in a nice mild Christian sort of way) That the aforementioned incident with the missionaries did occur is apparently beside the point, for there are apparently

Re: [Texascavers] Missionaries

2007-08-28 Thread Nancy Weaver
What all these Whackos, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, and New Age alike all have in common is the unshakable belief that their particular set of superstitions is true and all others false. Many of them are good hearted people, but that doesn't change the fact that their belief system

Re: [Texascavers] Missionaries

2007-08-28 Thread Louise Power
I try not to involve myself too much in the philosophical beliefs of others unless they tread on my own beliefs. I prefer, rather,to follow the direction of Robert Heinlein in the person of Lazarus Long: "Never appeal to a man's 'better nature.' He may not have one. Invoking his self-interest