[NMCAVER] Fw: [nssboard] Fwd: 15th ICS – Everyone is invited!!!

2008-12-01 Thread Ray Keeler
All, Concerns were raised about the 2009 ICS Convention next summe and the additional cost for the NSS Convention banquet. The BOG found a compromise and the ICS has accepted. There will be no additional cost for the 2009 NSS Convention Banquet. Ray Keeler Adminstrative VP - Original Me

Re: [Texascavers] a Speleo Digest project

2008-12-01 Thread speleosteele
Hi Bill, Great idea! It would be a good alternative for someone to the dark, dirt, and sometimes danger of going into a cave. Mixon Bill wrote: > An extremely worthwhile Speleo Digest project that somebody could > undertake would be to compile a cumulative index to caves for all the

[Texascavers] a Speleo Digest project

2008-12-01 Thread Mixon Bill
An extremely worthwhile Speleo Digest project that somebody could undertake would be to compile a cumulative index to caves for all the issues. Every issue has had an index to caves. It would be a matter of combining all those indexes. Wouldn't be necessary to actually search the Digests. O

Re: Re: [Texascavers] Safety in Mexico

2008-12-01 Thread Albach
Just thought I'd contribute a few details having grown up on the border and traveling in northern Mexico since the mid-60s. First ?I'll offer a belief that these things have kind of gone in waves. Our early travels always involved la mordida with regularity but that definitely changed for the b

[Texascavers] RE: new Speleo Digest series editor

2008-12-01 Thread Minton, Mark
Bill Mixon said: Does anybody else who reads the Texas Cavers list own the 1974 Speleo Digest? I have them back to 1967. :-) Mark Minton

[Texascavers] RE: new Speleo Digest series editor

2008-12-01 Thread Minton, Mark
Diana Tomchick said: who has the time to read through a 600 page compendium of old grotto newsletters? To me, the value of something like Speleo Digest is not that I would ever read the thing cover to cover, but rather have it in my library as a reference to go to in the event tha

RE: [Texascavers] Safety in Mexico

2008-12-01 Thread Louise Power
Of course, my experiences occurred prior to 1976 when I went back to school and pretty much dropped out of caving in favor of studying. I'm sure things have changed a lot since then. However, I'd like to say that our problems with the Mexican Mafia and their marijuana grows here in Oregon ar

texascavers Digest 2 Dec 2008 00:38:18 -0000 Issue 654

2008-12-01 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 2 Dec 2008 00:38:18 - Issue 654 Topics (messages 9509 through 9522): Re: new Speleo Digest series editor 9509 by: Mixon Bill 9511 by: Diana Tomchick 9515 by: George Veni 9521 by: mark gee underground lunchroom at Carlspatch 9510 by:

Re: [Texascavers] Safety in Mexico

2008-12-01 Thread Nico Escamilla
I hear all kinds of stories about crime and whatnot and I live right here in Mexico where all this stuff is unfolding and not one minute have I felt unsafe, of course living in a small town (with bad guys presence of course) helps cause most everybody knows each other and as long as you dont mess a

Re: [Texascavers] new Speleo Digest series editor

2008-12-01 Thread mark gee
Bill, I have the 74 Speleo Digest and many more.58,70,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,98,99,00,01,02,and 03. Im reading the 1981 Digest right now. I too have used them to read about exploration into Dunbar Cave in Tennesse and other caves that I find interestin

Re: [Texascavers] Solitario?

2008-12-01 Thread Bill Bentley
Matt, I was there in September 2007 with a group of hikers for a weekend I didn't see anything that looked like a cave or even cave like... We hiked in some of the canyons and they look a lot like the ones in Big Bend National Park, only not as tall... It is pretty remote and if I rememb

Re: [Texascavers] Safety in Mexico

2008-12-01 Thread Amanda Scott
I was in Monterrey, Montemorales, and Linares the week before last for four days on a work trip. We met with local growers, ranchers, and had a lecture from a political science professor at Monterrey Tech among many other activities. There was a lot of discussion about the drug traffic from South

[Texascavers] Solitario?

2008-12-01 Thread Matt Turner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solitario  This weekend i was reading a Texas Monthly article from 2004 about a guy  staying a week in the Solitario of Big Bend State park by himself. I'll admit I only made it through about a page or two of this suburbanite whining, about how scared he was and all

Re: [Texascavers] Safety in Mexico

2008-12-01 Thread CaverArch
I enjoyed Louise's stories from Mexico, and hate strike a down note, but I just received the following forward from my cousin. He was contacting an acquaintance about joining a tour to the Tarahumara people's Easter ceremonies in the Copper Canyon. He got the following chilling response from t

[Texascavers] RE: SpeleoDigest

2008-12-01 Thread Jim Kennedy
I have 1956, 1958, and 1967 through 2003 (the most recent). They are invaluable research tools. And a fun read as well! -- Jim -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:40 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re:

RE: [Texascavers] new Speleo Digest series editor

2008-12-01 Thread George Veni
-Original Message- From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com] Does anybody else who reads the Texas Cavers list own the 1974 Speleo Digest? -- Mixon -- I have a complete set. I don't use them regularly, but over the years I've found th

RE: [Texascavers] Camping in national forests

2008-12-01 Thread Louise Power
As a federal employee myself, I like you to realize that federal agency budgets have flatlined (read doing more or the same with the same budget you had three years ago). This has caused not only National Forests, but most Park Service, BLM, Corps of Engineers, etc, facilities to become serious

[Texascavers] Safety in Mexico

2008-12-01 Thread Louise Power
I've been reading all the messages about safety in Mexico and was reminded of a couple of incidents that happened on a couple of trips I was on. The first one happened between Sabinas Hidalgo and Villaldama on a trip to Bustamente. The road crosses several arroyos with intermittant streams. As

[Texascavers] Camping in national forests

2008-12-01 Thread Mike Gross
After reading some of the responses to the article about overnight camping in national forests, it seems to me the discussion is leaving out at least a couple of parts. Some of it is the aging of the baby boom generation. We're the biggest spike to flow through US demographics ever. When we we

Re: CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

2008-12-01 Thread Charles Goldsmith
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Re: [Texascavers] new Speleo Digest series editor

2008-12-01 Thread Diana Tomchick
On Dec 1, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Mixon Bill wrote: I agree that putting out a newsletter today is still a lot of work, what with editing, cajoling, etc, as Diana describes, even with computers making the mechanical aspects easier. But those who put out Speleo Digests don't really have to do al

CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

2008-12-01 Thread texascavers-help
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[Texascavers] underground lunchroom at Carlspatch

2008-12-01 Thread Mixon Bill
CC National Park has been trying to get rid of the underground lunchroom for twenty years. Things move slowly, especially in the face of the local business that has the concession to run it -- Mixon -- You may "reply" to the address this message

Re: [Texascavers] new Speleo Digest series editor

2008-12-01 Thread Mixon Bill
I agree that putting out a newsletter today is still a lot of work, what with editing, cajoling, etc, as Diana describes, even with computers making the mechanical aspects easier. But those who put out Speleo Digests don't really have to do all that. I doubt it they copy- edit the articles t

texascavers Digest 1 Dec 2008 18:37:19 -0000 Issue 653

2008-12-01 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 1 Dec 2008 18:37:19 - Issue 653 Topics (messages 9488 through 9508): AMCS publications summary 9488 by: Mixon Bill Re: Mexico #18 of 20 9489 by: Minton, Mark 9490 by: Thomas Sitch 9491 by: Jim Kennedy 9492 by: mark gee 9495

RE: [Texascavers] new Speleo Digest series editor

2008-12-01 Thread Louise Power
Diana said: The editors have fallen into the trap you allude to...just because it's assumed to be faster to do a digital layout, the temptation is to cram all the info they can into the thing. As an editor myself, I agree with you. My personal philosophy in this (as in most aspects of my li

RE: [Texascavers] RE: Cavern restaurants of the Caribbean

2008-12-01 Thread Louise Power
Hi Mark, Even though I haven't been there in years, at the time I worked there, I wouldn't have called what Carlsbad Caverns has a restaurant...unless dry cold sandwiches, chips, hot coffee and cocoa are your criteria. Maybe things have improved in 30 years. Louise From: mminton@nmhu.edu

Re: [Texascavers] RE: Cavern restaurants of the Caribbean

2008-12-01 Thread Diana Tomchick
Mark, While out at Carlsbad the last weekend of October for the Cave Research Foundation annual meeting, Bill Steele and I ate lunch with Dale Pate in the above ground restaurant. Dale told us that the in- cave facility, which now sells bottled drinks and cold sandwiches/ snacks will be pha

[Texascavers] query about caves near Taxco

2008-12-01 Thread Mixon Bill
Correction from that guy with the query about caves in Guerrero: I'm sorry I was spelling it wrong its spelled Tlamacazapa just east of Taxco De Alarcon. -- You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal:

Re: [Texascavers] new Speleo Digest series editor

2008-12-01 Thread Diana Tomchick
Bill, Speaking as a newsletter and periodical editor...just because modern software makes it easier to do the layout for a professional looking publication, that does not mean that all the other steps involved take less time. One still needs to proofread text (and correct grammatical mist

[TCMA-List] TCMA E-NEWS December 2008 (Ezell's,

2008-12-01 Thread Kevin McGowan
We hope you had a great Thanksgiving and the rest of your holiday is safe and at least partially underground!! EZELL'S CAVE CLEANUP! January 31st, 2009. Sign in time at the cave property is at 9:30 AM Sat. Bring tools to cut brush, steel rakes, long sleeves, gloves, water. We MAY get to

RE: [Texascavers] OT- 43 Dodge Carryall.

2008-12-01 Thread Ted Samsel
Not my truck.. I wish it was.. Ted -Original Message- >From: Fritz Holt >Sent: Nov 26, 2008 11:12 AM >To: Ted Samsel , Texascavers Mailing List > >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT- 43 Dodge Carryall. > >Ted, >I assume that this is your creation. As somewhat of a car guy but without any >r

Re: [Texascavers] news story about National Forest

2008-12-01 Thread Don Arburn
Speak for yourself. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Diana Tomchick > wrote: And how were we any different? We watched episodes of Gilligan's Island over and over and over again... Diana And kids today seem to watch the same episode over and over and over again like a

Re: [Texascavers] news story about National Forest

2008-12-01 Thread Diana Tomchick
And how were we any different? We watched episodes of Gilligan's Island over and over and over again... Diana And kids today seem to watch the same episode over and over and over again like a bunch of zombies. David Locklear * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dian