In case you didn't see it in the news today,
leading Creationist researchers
now agree their Creator purposely destroyed all of the dinosaurs, of the Earth
just 4,300 years ago, including all those that dwelled in the deep ocean.
Their reason, or logic is that their Creator was mad a the human ra
texascavers Digest 23 May 2014 01:54:48 - Issue 1984
Topics (messages 23869 through 23873):
Re: [SWR files FOIA with NM BLM
23869 by: Lee H. Skinner
Underground GPS coming?
23870 by: Lee H. Skinner
Re: [Sandiagrotto] Fwd: [SWR] Background on the FOIA request to BLM
April Government Canyon Karst Project Report
April 7, 2014
Participants: Lasha Asanidze, Steve Gutting, Christopher Lafferty, Marvin
Miller, George Veni
Saturday morning we headed up the Joe Johnston Rd. to do some survey and
push leads in Big Dome Cave. It was George Veni's first visit t
I still have 40 emails to wade through. Plus the Colorado EA comments due
today.
Jennifer Foote
NSS WNS Liaison
www.caves.org/wns
wnsliai...@caves.org
-- Forwarded message --
From: jen .
Date: Thu, May 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: [SWR] Background on the FOIA request to
Glad OKlahoma is OK now.
Finally, after nearly five days the responses to the FOIA have been shaken out
of the trees, or come out of the woodwork. The more the merrier. Keeps me off
the streets day and night.
Harv's comments are of course accurate, but it should not deter us from our
goal
THANK YOU, ARRON.
For over 30 years I've stood to encourage the next generation of cavers to take
interest and pride in the resources and wonders of the diverse caving
opportunities in NM. Your take on the cave closures, and the damage it does to
the resource (volunteerism and many other face
> This should be an opportunity to clean the slate of recent cave =
>management practices by the BLM in New Mexico. When the evidence is =
>there for us to examine, can we proceed with a plan, incorporating the =
>scientific evidence now available, that appropriately protects our bats, =
>but
Dear Jesse Juen (cc SWR list):
The BLM's management practices over the last few years have caused many
young cave scientists such as myself to lose interest in caves, but in
this FOIA request I see new hope. I spent every second weekend
underground during my undergraduate degree, serving as pr
Again Harvey, well said. Cavers, please try to put yourselves in the boots the
GOOD folks have to wear. There is a lot more going on here than Bat Fungus. You
should certainly disagree and point out the scientific errors, but outright
hostility will hurt your cause, and not help the caves. Try t
Just remember what your mama told you, "You can get more flies with honey than
vinegar." Be nice. BLM employees are people, too. You probably have no idea the
problems they have to cope with. Irate cavers, like irate ranchers, not being
the least of these.
From: ken_harring...@hotmail.com
To:
Thanks, Harvey.
I agree about the good, hard working folks in the trenches at BLM.
Nothing that was done was meant to demean their actions. I also noted several
misspellings in my message upon rereading it, along with one serious
misstatement. I meant to say that the OK bat report was
Thank you, Steve.
Be prepared for evasion and obfuscation on the part of BLM. I expect them to
retreat and hide behind legalities and not reveal the information you have
requested. As I stated in a previous message, I believe that part of this
decision is due to budgetary and fiscal management
*From:* Steve Peerman mailto:gypca...@comcast.net>>
*Date:* May 22, 2014, 1:51:50 PM MDT
*To:* Mailing List for SWR mailto:s...@caver.net>>
*Subject:* *[SWR] Background on the FOIA request to BLM*
All,
On Tuesday, May 20, 2014, our SWR Vice-Chair, Jim Evatt notified the
membership in the SWR,
More to discuss at the next PBSS meeting.
Original Message
Subject:[SWR] Background on the FOIA request to BLM
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 13:51:50 -0600
From: Steve Peerman
To: Mailing List for SWR
All,
On Tuesday, May 20, 2014, our SWR Vice-Chair, Jim Evatt n
Steve,
I heartily agree with the SWR FOIA actions taken. I have personally written to
Jesse Juen and Donna Hummel at BLM expressing my concerns with their actions
toward cavers and specifically the closures and impact on recreational cavers.
I encourage every caver out there to send e-mail
All,
On Tuesday, May 20, 2014, our SWR Vice-Chair, Jim Evatt notified the
membership in the SWR, through the SWR mailing list, that a Freedom of
Information Act (FOIA) request had been filed by the SWR for information
related to the BLM's management of the threat of White Nose Syndrome (
An interesting article about a new location technology (Quantum Compass)
that's extremely accurate and doesn't involved satellites. Eventually
(not anytime soon!) it could be small and cheap enough to be carried by
cave surveyors:
http://tinyurl.com/pgvjz4h
Lee Skinner
Dear Southwestern Cavers (and other interested persons). Sunday night,
May 18, the Southwestern Region filed a Freedom of Information Act
(FOIA) request with the Bureau of Land Management. This action is to
compel release of data in connection with the "temporary" two year cave
closure which ex
texascavers Digest 22 May 2014 14:28:49 - Issue 1983
Topics (messages 23863 through 23868):
Re: Article by Mr. Cave
23863 by: Fofo
New NCKRI publications!
23864 by: George Veni
Goodbye bolt climbs - a new way to get to those high leads fast
23865 by: Lee H. Skinner
"Caves of Missouri" on sale right now on eBay.
http://tinyurl.com/qgdh9uj
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