Re: [Texascavers] Alcalde Article

2015-01-20 Thread Phil Winkler via Texascavers
It was originally the University of Texas Grotto, but changed its name in January 2008 according to the NSS Database of Internal Organizations. On Jan 20, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers wrote: > Terry, > > The NSS web page lists the UT Grotto as the Underground Texas Grotto so

Re: [Texascavers] Join Us for Altamira: Rediscovering the World’s First Prehistoric Painted Art Cave. Wednesday, January 13 at 8 CST

2015-01-13 Thread Phil Winkler via Texascavers
Might I suggest you use this as an introductory song: Steely Dan – The Caves of Altamira 19 Comments 0 Tags "The Caves of Altamira" as written by Walter Carl Becker and Donald Jay Fagen Read More... Edit Wiki I recall when I was small How I spent my days alone The busy world was not for me

Re: [Texascavers] [QUAR] Re: locklear

2014-12-20 Thread Phil Winkler via Texascavers
Oh, dear, Julie, This doesn't seem nice. Not Texas style at all. Phil On Dec 20, 2014, at 4:48 PM, Julie Jenkins via Texascavers wrote: > I gotta say this- lockear, most of the time u don't know what the hell yur > talking about!! > All u posts r crap U sir know nothing clearly factual abou

Re: [Texascavers] Dec. 2014, NSS News

2014-12-12 Thread Phil Winkler via Texascavers
Preston, I had much the same reaction. These "Bob" cavers are hardcore all the way. Phil On Dec 12, 2014, at 7:12 PM, Preston Forsythe via Texascavers wrote: > By now everyone should have received their Dec. NSS News. The feature article > is on the new US depth record set in the Bob Marshall W

Re: [Texascavers] histo at Carrizal

2014-11-26 Thread Phil Winkler via Texascavers
Thanks, Barb... On Nov 26, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: > There has been recent discussion here about how nice Gruta de Carrizal is, > but the problem with histoplasmosis. Just ran into a trip report in 1979 > Texas Caver about a Pan American Speleological Society novic

Re: [Texascavers] A conservation question

2014-11-04 Thread Phil Winkler via Texascavers
Beer is recycled via our urine. The Aussies (in Vietnam) always referred to their beer as piss. On Nov 4, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Frank Binney via Texascavers wrote: > I inherited the funky old refrigerator the Beyond Time team used on the > surface to store those jugs of Michel’s urine. For seve

Re: [Texascavers] A conservation question

2014-11-04 Thread Phil Winkler via Texascavers
Michel Siffre collected all his pee in gallon milk containers when he did his Beyond Time experiments in Midnight Cave in 1973 or so. I had the honor of carrying 2 of them out of the cave back then. I think we returned them to the earth right there in the desert. But, I have to wonder, what t

Re: [Texascavers] 1978Luckenbach

2014-08-29 Thread Phil Winkler via Texascavers
Ediger in his Forrest Gump lookalike days. :) I do remember the 1978 Convention in New Braunfels with fondness since the Army posted me to Ft Sam for the Adv. NCO Course then. On Aug 29, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Bob West via Texascavers wrote: > Gil, Peter, Bryan and Bill were there. I was there beh

Re: [Texascavers] book review: Fern Cave

2014-08-14 Thread Phil Winkler via Texascavers
Gees, Bill, If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all. Jenn's book is a superb summary of the discovery and exploration of one of our greatest caves. Her writing is passionate and on topic, factual and timely. She brings everything up to date from Donal Myrick's classic publica

Re: [Texascavers] Movie Filming in Texas Caves, Technical Assistance Needed

2014-08-04 Thread Phil Winkler via Texascavers
The little or no pay makes me wonder as would the liability issues involved here. At 8/4/2014 10:27 AM -0500, you wrote: Depending on dates I would be interested in assisting, I am a firefighter with NCRC LIII, vertical caving experience, canyoneering experience, and rope rescue instructor.

Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] BLM reopens Wyoming's Natural Trap Cave

2014-07-27 Thread Phil Winkler
It's not getting any easier, is it Alex? :) On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:34 PM, Alex Sproul wrote: > Son of a gun, I DO get digested attachments! But Logan, I already deleted > yours, so please do send. > > Alex > > -- > Alex Sproul > NSS 8086RL/FE > Acting NSS Webmaster > www.caves.org > ___

Re: [SWR] My late night thoughts during insomnia

2014-04-13 Thread Phil Winkler
And let's not forget the famous Phallicmite in a well-known Texas cave near San Antonio. Phil On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Peter Jones wrote: > I call them heligmites when their initial growth starts on the floor. When > they start on the wall, they should be called "wallawallamites", don't yo

Re: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes

2014-02-13 Thread Phil Winkler
I was surprised to see it is located directly alongside the I-65 interstate hwy. One would think the highway engineers would have known of the presence of cave system there. You can see it easily on Google-Earth. On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Geary Schindel wrote: > When I lived up that way, y

RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

2013-10-23 Thread Phil Winkler
All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids. At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote: Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these ingredients is a solvent? Active ingredient: Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

2013-10-23 Thread Phil Winkler
Pretty sure poison oak can be found in the eastern US, too. http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/poison-ivy-oak-and-sumac-leaves and sumac, too. At 10/23/2013 08:42 AM -0500, Gill Edigar wrote: I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas cousins who were Piney

Re: [Texascavers] Re: solo caving, cave meditation

2013-09-16 Thread Phil Winkler
I think Barbara would have enjoyed talking with Michel Siffre.. Phil On Sep 16, 2013, at 8:32 PM, Logan McNatt wrote: > Forwarded on behalf of Barbara MacLeod: > > "These were carefully-planned experiments in sensory isolation, set far into > a familiar but then seldom-visited, beautifully deco

Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving

2013-09-16 Thread Phil Winkler
Many, many years ago (1973?) I was in Waynesville MO over the Christmas holiday on leave from the Army. I didn't know any cavers there anymore, but did want to visit Christmas Cave which is listed in J. Harlan Bretz' Caves of Missouri. Since it was a horizontal cave I figured I could at least c

Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar

2013-08-02 Thread Phil Winkler
A collector of cave books = speleobibliophile :) At 8/2/2013 08:11 AM -0700, Justin Haynes wrote: On Aug 1, 2013 5:10 PM, "Phil Winkler" <<mailto:pw...@dca.net>pw...@dca.net> wrote: > > Oops! Some of us were never good spelers. :) > I'm sure you are an

Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar

2013-08-02 Thread Phil Winkler
A collector of cave books = speleobibliophile :) At 8/2/2013 08:11 AM -0700, Justin Haynes wrote: On Aug 1, 2013 5:10 PM, "Phil Winkler" <<mailto:pw...@dca.net>pw...@dca.net> wrote: > > Oops! Some of us were never good spelers. :) > I'm sure you are an

Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar

2013-08-02 Thread Phil Winkler
A collector of cave books = speleobibliophile :) At 8/2/2013 08:11 AM -0700, Justin Haynes wrote: On Aug 1, 2013 5:10 PM, "Phil Winkler" <<mailto:pw...@dca.net>pw...@dca.net> wrote: > > Oops! Some of us were never good spelers. :) > I'm sure you are an

Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar

2013-08-01 Thread Phil Winkler
(But you certainly don't have to be jewish to have a jewish obstetrician.) > > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Phil Winkler wrote: > When I had my concision I couldn't walk for a year. > > > At 8/1/2013 11:27 AM -0500, you wrote: > Yeah - I guess they decided t

Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar

2013-08-01 Thread Phil Winkler
(But you certainly don't have to be jewish to have a jewish obstetrician.) > > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Phil Winkler wrote: > When I had my concision I couldn't walk for a year. > > > At 8/1/2013 11:27 AM -0500, you wrote: > Yeah - I guess they decided t

Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar

2013-08-01 Thread Phil Winkler
(But you certainly don't have to be jewish to have a jewish obstetrician.) > > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Phil Winkler wrote: > When I had my concision I couldn't walk for a year. > > > At 8/1/2013 11:27 AM -0500, you wrote: > Yeah - I guess they decided t

Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar

2013-08-01 Thread Phil Winkler
When I had my concision I couldn't walk for a year. At 8/1/2013 11:27 AM -0500, you wrote: Yeah - I guess they decided to do the concision just to be safe On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:16 PM, R D Milhollin <rdmilhol...@yahoo.com> wrote: I didn't realize he got

Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar

2013-08-01 Thread Phil Winkler
When I had my concision I couldn't walk for a year. At 8/1/2013 11:27 AM -0500, you wrote: Yeah - I guess they decided to do the concision just to be safe On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:16 PM, R D Milhollin <rdmilhol...@yahoo.com> wrote: I didn't realize he got

Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar

2013-08-01 Thread Phil Winkler
When I had my concision I couldn't walk for a year. At 8/1/2013 11:27 AM -0500, you wrote: Yeah - I guess they decided to do the concision just to be safe On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:16 PM, R D Milhollin <rdmilhol...@yahoo.com> wrote: I didn't realize he got

Re: [Texascavers] Download "No place on earth"

2013-06-05 Thread Phil Winkler
Careful: http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/movieberrycom-do-not-and-i-repeat-do-not-even-consider-doing-business-with-these-lowlifes-c623723.html At 6/4/2013 06:15 PM -0700, Louise Power wrote: I was just looking for an old movie which I wanted to download and ran across this site:

Re: [Texascavers] Download "No place on earth"

2013-06-05 Thread Phil Winkler
Careful: http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/movieberrycom-do-not-and-i-repeat-do-not-even-consider-doing-business-with-these-lowlifes-c623723.html At 6/4/2013 06:15 PM -0700, Louise Power wrote: I was just looking for an old movie which I wanted to download and ran across this site:

Re: [Texascavers] Download "No place on earth"

2013-06-05 Thread Phil Winkler
Careful: http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/movieberrycom-do-not-and-i-repeat-do-not-even-consider-doing-business-with-these-lowlifes-c623723.html At 6/4/2013 06:15 PM -0700, Louise Power wrote: I was just looking for an old movie which I wanted to download and ran across this site:

Re: [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave

2013-05-22 Thread Phil Winkler
It's not easy. Most of them are just winging it. Some got bridge loans, too. At 5/22/2013 02:31 PM -0500, Bill Bentley wrote: How can those bats afford to live in that high rent area? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Thanks for the interesting post, Geor

Re: [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave

2013-05-22 Thread Phil Winkler
It's not easy. Most of them are just winging it. Some got bridge loans, too. At 5/22/2013 02:31 PM -0500, Bill Bentley wrote: How can those bats afford to live in that high rent area? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Thanks for the interesting post, Geor

Re: [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave

2013-05-22 Thread Phil Winkler
It's not easy. Most of them are just winging it. Some got bridge loans, too. At 5/22/2013 02:31 PM -0500, Bill Bentley wrote: How can those bats afford to live in that high rent area? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Thanks for the interesting post, Geor

Re: [Texascavers] cavers and music

2013-05-21 Thread Phil Winkler
And, "People are strange" which fits many of us quite well. At 5/21/2013 09:09 AM -0500, Bill Steele wrote: And "The End". Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Mark Minton wrote: >Maybe cavers like the Doors because they made an especially relevant song, "Break On Throug

Re: [Texascavers] cavers and music

2013-05-21 Thread Phil Winkler
And, "People are strange" which fits many of us quite well. At 5/21/2013 09:09 AM -0500, Bill Steele wrote: And "The End". Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Mark Minton wrote: >Maybe cavers like the Doors because they made an especially relevant song, "Break On Throug

Re: [Texascavers] cavers and music

2013-05-21 Thread Phil Winkler
And, "People are strange" which fits many of us quite well. At 5/21/2013 09:09 AM -0500, Bill Steele wrote: And "The End". Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Mark Minton wrote: >Maybe cavers like the Doors because they made an especially relevant song, "Break On Throug

Re: [Texascavers] Cave-digging related ( surface pits )

2013-05-21 Thread Phil Winkler
Dave, Gin poles are also used in boat yards to remove and replace masts on sailboats. I suspect they have been around for far more than 100 years, too, since they represent a couple simple machines in combination: levers and pulleys. Phil At 5/20/2013 10:29 PM -0500, David wrote: I have jus

Re: [Texascavers] Cave-digging related ( surface pits )

2013-05-21 Thread Phil Winkler
Dave, Gin poles are also used in boat yards to remove and replace masts on sailboats. I suspect they have been around for far more than 100 years, too, since they represent a couple simple machines in combination: levers and pulleys. Phil At 5/20/2013 10:29 PM -0500, David wrote: I have jus

Re: [Texascavers] Cave-digging related ( surface pits )

2013-05-21 Thread Phil Winkler
Dave, Gin poles are also used in boat yards to remove and replace masts on sailboats. I suspect they have been around for far more than 100 years, too, since they represent a couple simple machines in combination: levers and pulleys. Phil At 5/20/2013 10:29 PM -0500, David wrote: I have jus

[Texascavers] Re: [QUAR] Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Cascade Caverns request

2013-05-20 Thread Phil Winkler
He probably meant "certifiable" caver. :) At 5/20/2013 11:48 AM -0600, Gary McDaniel wrote: What's a Certified Caver? Sent from my iPhone. On May 20, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Sean Lewis <seale...@gmail.com> wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: LB Kyle <

[Texascavers] Re: [QUAR] Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Cascade Caverns request

2013-05-20 Thread Phil Winkler
He probably meant "certifiable" caver. :) At 5/20/2013 11:48 AM -0600, Gary McDaniel wrote: What's a Certified Caver? Sent from my iPhone. On May 20, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Sean Lewis <seale...@gmail.com> wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: LB Kyle <

[Texascavers] Re: [QUAR] Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Cascade Caverns request

2013-05-20 Thread Phil Winkler
He probably meant "certifiable" caver. :) At 5/20/2013 11:48 AM -0600, Gary McDaniel wrote: What's a Certified Caver? Sent from my iPhone. On May 20, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Sean Lewis <seale...@gmail.com> wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: LB Kyle <

Re: [Texascavers] Fish email?

2013-05-19 Thread Phil Winkler
And isn't the named Grutas la Palmito (or something like that?) rather then Bustamante? Phil On May 19, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Mark Minton wrote: >The only thing that seems a little suspicious to me is that he says > the cave is within walking distance of the house, which is purported to be

Re: [Texascavers] Fish email?

2013-05-19 Thread Phil Winkler
And isn't the named Grutas la Palmito (or something like that?) rather then Bustamante? Phil On May 19, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Mark Minton wrote: >The only thing that seems a little suspicious to me is that he says > the cave is within walking distance of the house, which is purported to be

Re: [Texascavers] Fish email?

2013-05-19 Thread Phil Winkler
And isn't the named Grutas la Palmito (or something like that?) rather then Bustamante? Phil On May 19, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Mark Minton wrote: >The only thing that seems a little suspicious to me is that he says > the cave is within walking distance of the house, which is purported to be

[Texascavers] Archived NSS News in PDF

2013-03-20 Thread Phil Winkler
Here are all the back issues. https://secure.caves.org/nss-business/publications/NSS_News/index.shtml Just log in with your NSS# and zip code. Phil - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascave

[Texascavers] Archived NSS News in PDF

2013-03-20 Thread Phil Winkler
Here are all the back issues. https://secure.caves.org/nss-business/publications/NSS_News/index.shtml Just log in with your NSS# and zip code. Phil - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascave

[Texascavers] Archived NSS News in PDF

2013-03-20 Thread Phil Winkler
Here are all the back issues. https://secure.caves.org/nss-business/publications/NSS_News/index.shtml Just log in with your NSS# and zip code. Phil - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascave

Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

2013-03-19 Thread Phil Winkler
Read all about it in the March 23 BOG Meeting topic: http://cavechat.org/ Phil On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Frank Binney wrote: > FYI to Texas Cavers: > There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday’s NSS Board > of Governor’s meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as

Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

2013-03-19 Thread Phil Winkler
Read all about it in the March 23 BOG Meeting topic: http://cavechat.org/ Phil On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Frank Binney wrote: > FYI to Texas Cavers: > There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday’s NSS Board > of Governor’s meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as

Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

2013-03-19 Thread Phil Winkler
Read all about it in the March 23 BOG Meeting topic: http://cavechat.org/ Phil On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Frank Binney wrote: > FYI to Texas Cavers: > There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday’s NSS Board > of Governor’s meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as

[Texascavers] Ronnie

2013-03-14 Thread Phil Winkler
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[Texascavers] Ronnie

2013-03-14 Thread Phil Winkler
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[Texascavers] Ronnie

2013-03-14 Thread Phil Winkler
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