RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-14 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Mon, 2/13/12, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: From: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 7:45 PM          In a similar vein, back

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-14 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Mon, 2/13/12, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: From: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation To: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 7:45 PM

[Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
This was different.  First, I noticed small areas of white sand in pools in the spring run.  There were some now-dryish pools that had a coating of sand on the bottom (but on top of the mud), as if they were filled during the high tide.  We also noticed a 3/4-inch wide band of fine white sand

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread DON ARBURN
Could they be dried up pulverized hackberry seeds? I noticed a bunch of white calcium looking gravel in the bottom of a metal rain-water trough, yesterday, that I drained. Sounds similar. Perhaps washed in from the surface? Sent cellularly. -Don On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation This was different. First, I noticed small areas of white sand in pools in the spring run. There were some now-dryish pools that had a coating of sand on the bottom (but on top of the mud), as if they were filled during the high tide. We also noticed

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:00 To: texas cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation  This was different.  First, I noticed small areas of white sand in pools in the spring run.  There were some now-dryish pools that had a coating of sand on the bottom (but on top

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Diana Tomchick
The degree to which the sand accumulates or is noticed at any given time depends mostly on: · How much time has passed since the last flood, which determines how many rafts will accumulate floating on the water; · How severe the flood was, and did it just sink the floating

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org -Original Message- From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:40 To: gv...@nckri.org Cc: texas cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation The degree to which

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Pete Lindsley
[mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:40 To: gv...@nckri.org Cc: texas cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation The degree to which the sand accumulates or is noticed at any given time depends mostly on: . How much time has passed

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 13:26 To: gv...@nckri.org Cc: 'texas cavers' Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation George, it would also be interesting to relate this to the development of the rather recent calcite formation in Snowy RIver. SR only forms calcite in SR

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
To: 'texas cavers' Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation Sounds like a job for Geochemists' Workbench (or PHREEQC), which I have access to. I'd be glad to do some runs if data is available. Temperature effects I bet are minor as mentioned, and partial pressure of CO2 should

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Mark Minton
To: gv...@nckri.org Cc: 'texas cavers' Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation George, it would also be interesting to relate this to the development of the rather recent calcite formation in Snowy RIver. SR only forms calcite in SR during a flood event in the really dry NM area

[Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
This was different.  First, I noticed small areas of white sand in pools in the spring run.  There were some now-dryish pools that had a coating of sand on the bottom (but on top of the mud), as if they were filled during the high tide.  We also noticed a 3/4-inch wide band of fine white sand

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread DON ARBURN
Could they be dried up pulverized hackberry seeds? I noticed a bunch of white calcium looking gravel in the bottom of a metal rain-water trough, yesterday, that I drained. Sounds similar. Perhaps washed in from the surface? Sent cellularly. -Don On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation This was different. First, I noticed small areas of white sand in pools in the spring run. There were some now-dryish pools that had a coating of sand on the bottom (but on top of the mud), as if they were filled during the high tide. We also noticed

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
Gluesenkamp [mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:00 To: texas cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation  This was different.  First, I noticed small areas of white sand in pools in the spring run.  There were some now-dryish pools that had

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Diana Tomchick
The degree to which the sand accumulates or is noticed at any given time depends mostly on: · How much time has passed since the last flood, which determines how many rafts will accumulate floating on the water; · How severe the flood was, and did it just sink the floating

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org -Original Message- From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:40 To: gv...@nckri.org Cc: texas cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation The degree to which

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Pete Lindsley
[mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:40 To: gv...@nckri.org Cc: texas cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation The degree to which the sand accumulates or is noticed at any given time depends mostly on: . How much time has passed

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread hine0012
Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org -Original Message- From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:40 To: gv...@nckri.org Cc: texas cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 13:26 To: gv...@nckri.org Cc: 'texas cavers' Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation George, it would also be interesting to relate this to the development of the rather recent calcite formation in Snowy RIver. SR only forms calcite in SR

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
To: 'texas cavers' Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation Sounds like a job for Geochemists' Workbench (or PHREEQC), which I have access to. I'd be glad to do some runs if data is available. Temperature effects I bet are minor as mentioned, and partial pressure of CO2 should

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Mark Minton
To: gv...@nckri.org Cc: 'texas cavers' Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation George, it would also be interesting to relate this to the development of the rather recent calcite formation in Snowy RIver. SR only forms calcite in SR during a flood event in the really dry NM area

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Aimee Beveridge
cavers' Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation George, it would also be interesting to relate this to the development of the rather recent calcite formation in Snowy RIver. SR only forms calcite in SR during a flood event in the really dry NM area, and that apparently happens

[Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
This was different.  First, I noticed small areas of white sand in pools in the spring run.  There were some now-dryish pools that had a coating of sand on the bottom (but on top of the mud), as if they were filled during the high tide.  We also noticed a 3/4-inch wide band of fine white sand

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread DON ARBURN
Could they be dried up pulverized hackberry seeds? I noticed a bunch of white calcium looking gravel in the bottom of a metal rain-water trough, yesterday, that I drained. Sounds similar. Perhaps washed in from the surface? Sent cellularly. -Don On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation This was different. First, I noticed small areas of white sand in pools in the spring run. There were some now-dryish pools that had a coating of sand on the bottom (but on top of the mud), as if they were filled during the high tide. We also noticed

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
Gluesenkamp [mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:00 To: texas cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation  This was different.  First, I noticed small areas of white sand in pools in the spring run.  There were some now-dryish pools that had

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Diana Tomchick
The degree to which the sand accumulates or is noticed at any given time depends mostly on: · How much time has passed since the last flood, which determines how many rafts will accumulate floating on the water; · How severe the flood was, and did it just sink the floating

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org -Original Message- From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:40 To: gv...@nckri.org Cc: texas cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation The degree to which

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Pete Lindsley
[mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:40 To: gv...@nckri.org Cc: texas cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation The degree to which the sand accumulates or is noticed at any given time depends mostly on: . How much time has passed

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread hine0012
Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org -Original Message- From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:40 To: gv...@nckri.org Cc: texas cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 13:26 To: gv...@nckri.org Cc: 'texas cavers' Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation George, it would also be interesting to relate this to the development of the rather recent calcite formation in Snowy RIver. SR only forms calcite in SR

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
To: 'texas cavers' Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation Sounds like a job for Geochemists' Workbench (or PHREEQC), which I have access to. I'd be glad to do some runs if data is available. Temperature effects I bet are minor as mentioned, and partial pressure of CO2 should

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Mark Minton
To: gv...@nckri.org Cc: 'texas cavers' Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation George, it would also be interesting to relate this to the development of the rather recent calcite formation in Snowy RIver. SR only forms calcite in SR during a flood event in the really dry NM area

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Aimee Beveridge
cavers' Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation George, it would also be interesting to relate this to the development of the rather recent calcite formation in Snowy RIver. SR only forms calcite in SR during a flood event in the really dry NM area, and that apparently happens