[Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly

2010-01-30 Thread Brian Vauter
Going back to what the guide was reported to have said, the quartz comment is something I have heard from many guides at many caves. It's a prevalent guide info-virus. I suspect it's a mis-hearing of the word coarse in describing crystals. I heard this same thing a number of years ago from a guide

[Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly

2010-01-28 Thread Mark Minton
That's an interesting take on a commercial caving experience, but not very well fact checked. I was immediately suspicious when she said it was 85 degrees in the cave. According to the Caverns of Sonora web site http://www.cavernsofsonora.com/, which she references, it is actually 71

Re: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly

2010-01-28 Thread tbsamsel
Fact check a non-technical blog? Jeeze. Lots of blogs are chock-full of spurious information, anyway. TJan 28, 2010 10:03:37 AM, mmin...@caver.net wrote: That's an interesting take on a commercial caving experience, but not very well fact checked. I was immediately suspicious when she said it

RE: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly

2010-01-28 Thread George Veni
- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:03 AM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly That's an interesting take on a commercial caving experience, but not very well fact checked. I was immediately suspicious

[Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly

2010-01-28 Thread Mark Minton
of the cave, I believe Jack's estimate. George -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:03 AM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly That's an interesting take on a commercial caving experience

RE: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly

2010-01-28 Thread Mark . Alman
Any takers? Mark A. -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:03 AM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly As for there being 7 miles in Sonora, I doubt it, but if true why

Re: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly

2010-01-28 Thread Don Arburn
I'm in. Don's iPhone. On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:05 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Any takers? Mark A. -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:03 AM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora

RE: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly

2010-01-28 Thread Linda Palit
of the cave, I believe Jack's estimate. George -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:03 AM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly That's an interesting take on a commercial caving

RE: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly

2010-01-28 Thread George Veni
with each team member specifically approved for access. George -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:03 AM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly As for there being 7 miles

RE: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly

2010-01-28 Thread Fritz Holt
: RE: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly My study of Caverns of Sonora that I referred to in my earlier message is also a survey. Many years ago, Jack Burch established a precise transit survey through the commercial section, with a few short bits extending off-trail. However his sketch

Re: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly

2010-01-28 Thread Josh Rubinstein
Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:03 AM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly As for there being 7 miles in Sonora, I doubt it, but if true why hasn't anyone started a serious resurvey

RE: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly

2010-01-28 Thread George Veni
Some of the work has been published: Bogdan Onac, George Veni, and William B. White. 2001. Depositional environment for metatyuyamunite and related minerals from Caverns of Sonora, TX (U.S.A.) European Journal of Mineralogy, 13:135-143. I'd be glad to send a PDF of it to anyone who is

RE: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly

2010-01-28 Thread George Veni
From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:51 PM To: George Veni Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly George, The CRF projects now days ask for 4 members on a survey, the fourth is to detail

Re: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly

2010-01-28 Thread Charles Goldsmith
George, I'd be very thankful for a copy of that PDF. Caverns of Sonora is one of my favorite caves. If I can help in your endeavors in anyway, let me know. Charles On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:59 PM, George Veni gv...@warpdriveonline.com wrote: Some of the work has been published: Bogdan Onac,

RE: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly

2010-01-28 Thread George Veni
The file is attached as is my appreciation for your work and support. George -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:47 PM To: George Veni Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly George, I'd be very thankful