Re: [Therion] Ukraine

2022-02-25 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion
Yeah, it so sad for all supporters of neo-nazi regime at Ukraine. Maybe we should stop discuss such themes at this list? 25.02.2022 18:38, Ladislav Blažek пишет: We are all in shock here... Here in the Czech Republic (former Czechoslovakia) we have our own experience with the "help of the War

[Therion] walls off

2018-05-12 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion
Hello How to turn off walls for the whole cave? === this not work === source   centerline     walls off   endcenterline   input cave endsource export map cave.pdf == -- WBR, Vasily ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo

[Therion] *solve

2018-04-18 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion
Hello Is it possible to get the behavior of the "*solve" Survex command in Therion? -- WBR, Vasily ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion

Re: [Therion] Overlaying xvi file and map background as the same scale

2018-02-05 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion
Hello You can make XVI with integrated image through "sketches morphing" feature 1) Create thconfig like this === thconfig_xvi === source my_centerline.th source my_xvi.th2 export map -o my.xvi -layout-sketches on == 2) create my_xvi.th2 3) Add background image to my_xvi.th2

Re: [Therion] Error morphing scanned extended profiles survey sketches

2018-01-05 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion
Hello I found some trick to fix XVI wrong placement problem On a dedicated XVI thconfig use such commands source   centerline     fix 62@stels1.stels 0 0 0   endcenterline endsource Station to fix is should be upper station in current elevation XVI Please test this workaround... I hope it is

[Therion] full grid for expended

2017-11-02 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion
Hello, Is it possible to make map/atlas with grid for extended elevation with both grid lines (horizontal and vertical)? -- WBR, Vasily ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion

Re: [Therion] I can't start the Therion program

2017-08-13 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion
Hello It looks like you need to install Survex 14.08.2017 12:57, Кунгурская лаборатория-стационар via Therion пишет: "cavern" не является внутренней или внешней командой... -- WBR, Vasily ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailma

Re: [Therion] warning -- equate used to define new station

2017-08-02 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion
Ok Have we a legal way to define a station to "equate" to? Or recipe to export already defined station to upper namespace as in Survex with its (deprecated) global prefix "\"? 02.08.2017 15:00, Bruce Mutton via Therion пишет: Looks like what you are calling a solution is what I would call

Re: [Therion] warning -- equate used to define new station

2017-08-02 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion
Hi, Martin I'm trying to create synonym with short name for station defined in deep hierarchy of namespaces (in purpose for more readable sources) 02.08.2017 13:58, Martin Sluka via Therion пишет: Are you trying to create a survey with only one station with GPS coordinates? -- WBR, Vasil

Re: [Therion] warning -- equate used to define new station

2017-08-01 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion
Hi, Bruce Fixed@cave is a nonexistent station (nor defined nor fixed). Therion is right with warning but it is exactly what I need. I'm try to define station in upper namespace for link to it from other places. It is worked proper but throw a warning... After the experiments I found a workar

[Therion] warning -- equate used to define new station

2017-08-01 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion
Hello Is there a way to suppress a warning about new station? I'm trying to simplify the stations binding such way: 1.th: equate Fixed@cave fi...@some.path.at.cave 2.th: equate Fixed@cave fi...@other.path.at.cave -- WBR, Vasily ___ Therion m

Re: [Therion] Therion Theory - scrap and map definitions

2017-07-06 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion
Hello Bruce and All I had to draw a few large caves and I want to share my experience: 1) I always keep scanned survey notebooks. This is an artifact obtained in a cave and is the source of truth. 2) I store the entire centerline in a separate directory with a split into files on a trip basi

Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

2017-02-26 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion
Hello I fix this issue at Vladimir repo. I try to make PR to main repo soon 23.02.2017 22:02, Rodrigo Severo via Therion пишет: Hi, I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to work. When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line" submenu opti

Re: [Therion] Extended elevations xvi and sketches error

2016-12-02 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev via Therion
I know how to move sketches but it is XVI generation error for extended elevations. For example XVI for plan has not such problems. Manual moving sketches is quite impossible with 3-5 overlapped images. 02.12.2016 19:57, Martin Sluka via Therion пишет: It means to move those sketches? Double

[Therion] File and folder names in cyrillic

2015-05-12 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
12.05.2015 13:43, vladimirg at mail.bg пишет: > I doubt that I will be able to fix it and recompile Therion myself, so > I guess I'll use latin only for the moment :) This fix in my personal wishlist too. Dont forget to publish it :) -- WBR, Vasily -- next part --

[Therion] File and folder names in cyrillic

2015-05-04 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello Filenames on Windows is 8-bit encoded but Therion assumes a filesystem has UTF-8 encoded filenames (as on Linux it is). On Windows for proper results the Therion should internally convert filenames to 8-bit codepage with default locale. 04.05.2015 17:06, vladimirg at mail.bg пишет:

[Therion] XVI export with map selected is not working

2015-03-02 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello 02.03.2015 20:49, Torsten Schnitter пишет: > So what's wrong, is it a bug? No. It is not clear behavior of survey selecting. By default all surveys is selected. You need unselect it all before selecting somthing special. Example: unselect cave select cave.part1 select cave.part2 exp

[Therion] Define constants in files

2014-12-28 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
You right, the reproduceable compilation is main weakness of this aproach. But complicated problem has a complicated solution. In my case - Rake is a piece of ruby lang ecosystem. Ruby has its own powerful package/deploy manager and reproduce environment is easy 28.12.2014 01:59, Bill Gee пи

[Therion] Define constants in files

2014-12-28 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
28.12.2014 00:14, Bill Gee пишет: > I am not familiar with this. Can you provide a few additional details? > I am using a software build system Rake to make a whole map of cave from ~120 survey files. The build system get each survey from 'SRC' folder, run some scripts on it and save res

[Therion] Define constants in files

2014-12-27 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello I am using the external macro processor for such job 27.12.2014 22:38, Bill Gee пишет: > Search/replace is OK when you have only one file to deal with. In a large > cave > map there could be hundreds of files. -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] Entrances on map

2014-12-04 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
"symbol-show point flag:entrance" in layout helps me But thanx for pointing. The articles and whole web-resource is interesting 04.12.2014 02:48, Guy Demars пишет: > Hello, > > with Therion I don't know, but it is usimple with QGIS : > http://cp.cavesurveying.org.uk/index.php/articles/13-

[Therion] Entrances on map

2014-12-02 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello How to show entrances on map? If I create a model the entrances is displayed. But how to display them on the map? My thconfig follows such shema: === source centerline cs lat-long station ent1 "Entrance 1" entrance fix ent1 ... station ent2 "Entrance 2" entrance

[Therion] Cleaning up folders and temp files

2014-11-16 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello The geek way is use a build systems to build your maps and cleanup the project folders. I am using Rake, for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rake_%28software%29 13.11.2014 21:28, vladimirg at mail.bg пишет: > Hi > > After I compile a project I end up with several files that I d

[Therion] Background images and insert images not working

2014-01-21 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello Probably imagemagick command line tools is missing? I had a similar problem and installing imagemagick helped to solve it 21.01.2014 22:48, Wookey пишет: > +++ Wookey [2013-12-27 01:37 +]: >> +++ cawa sorix [2013-12-25 17:25 +0100]: >> Aha - it hapens on jessie and sid, but not w

[Therion] file.sql format

2013-08-03 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Typically, SQL servers use transaction with autocommit on each command, and wrap a large block of commands in a single transaction on the contrary improves the performance 26.07.2013 04:07, Footleg пишет: > More commonly with large data imports of > complete tables you do not want to use tr

[Therion] Using smaller fonts

2013-04-10 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
scale 1 600 10.04.2013 13:00, Wolfgang Zillig пишет: > what scale do you use that the font is too big? -- WBR, Vasily -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ttt.png Type: image/png Size: 46588 bytes Desc: not available URL:

[Therion] Using smaller fonts

2013-04-10 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello 10.04.2013 05:01, Jackson пишет: > i use this feature already. But this will decrease (or > increase) all labels. I only want to decrease the stationnames. Workaround is use size M for stations only e.g. fonts_setup(10,18,8,50,140); -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] Incorrect position of a scrap in extended projection

2013-01-22 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello Looks like a bug that I reported at 25.11.2011 22.01.2013 16:56, Marco Menchise пишет: > I cannot figure out why Therion does not put the image in the correct > position respect to the centerline (see file sezione.th2 after running > Therion). The same approach works perfectly for sc

[Therion] point:passage-height

2013-01-12 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
11.01.2013 15:42, Dave Clucas пишет: > Does anybody know how I can modify it? base-scale command in layout maybe helps you E.g. scale 1 2000 base-scale 1 500 -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] preview below with many colors

2013-01-10 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello 10.01.2013 00:29, Footleg пишет: > Just happens that I have been experimenting with different PDF > readers too. > I was frustrated by the fact that Adobe Reader (at least on Windows) > locks the PDF file. On Ubuntu Adobe Reader 9 not locks the file and allowing Ctrl+R to refresh > I

[Therion] xtherion on ubuntu

2012-12-19 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
19.12.2012 00:49, Wookey пишет: > Please provide some more details. Which version of therion did you > install. Ubuntu 12.04.01 LTS, Therion 5.3.9 installation from packages > What sort of 'not work'? The gui doesn't start? You can't run therion > from the command line? Loch/therion-viewer d

[Therion] xtherion on ubuntu

2012-12-18 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello Xtherion does not work on Ubuntu 12 -- WBR, Vasily -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ?? ?? ?? 2012-12-18 21:42:12.png Type: image/png Size: 101009 bytes Desc: not available URL:

[Therion] Elevation grid

2012-11-16 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello Is there a way to make Therion not add one cell of grid at the top and bottom of the extended elevation map? After adding grid with export map -proj extended -layout-grid-size 250 250 250 m I have the following problems 1) large empty space at top and bottom of map 2) problems with old s

[Therion] cartoteam variable

2012-06-30 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello 30.06.2012 05:16, Dirk Peinelt пишет: > In the map, I would like the scrap painters and his statistics. Of > course, without use manually the comment variable. "author" option in scrap command -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] vthreshold

2012-05-20 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
15.05.2012 18:43, Xavier Pennec написал: > I completely agree with you that NSEW is not not a good way to measure > the shape of about-vertical passages. In fact I personally never > measure dimensions in NSEW directions but in the direction of the shot > (or of the preceeding shot if it

[Therion] bug?

2012-05-20 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
20.05.2012 04:32, Bruce написал: > > Have you forgotten the ".th" or perhaps the relative path from the thconfig > file to the surface.th file? > ThBook: Default extension is ‘.th’ and may be omitted. And I always omit .th, got an error and send bug-report :) Does Therion have a bugtra

[Therion] bug?

2012-05-19 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello If I had a directory "surface" and file "surface.th" in same place Then "source surface" in thconfig cause an error: therion: error -- surface [1] -- line too long -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] point dig

2012-05-10 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello What is "point dig" symbol mean? Possibility of dig new passage? -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] import incorrect handle relative paths

2012-04-27 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello import incorrect handle relative paths e.g. "../../model.3d" -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] data next

2012-04-19 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello What is you think about extend data command to apply backcompass and backclino to single next shot? === data next backcompass backclino 6a 10 5.34 216 -160.3 0.4 2.4 0.1 1.5 -- === instead of === group data normal from to tape backcompass backclino left right up dow

[Therion] survey-level

2012-04-17 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
17.04.2012 14:02, Bruce написал: > If I export with the entire cave selected I get ALL the survey levels (in > this case 2) ... > If I export a single survey I get NO survey levels ... Same. > BTW adding this to the scrap definition will mean you only have to type it > once. > -station-nam

[Therion] survey-level

2012-04-17 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
17.04.2012 4:24, Bruce написал: > My experiments lead me to believe that for xvi outputs, the default > is always; survey-level all XVI export used minimal of possible survey level, as I see. Therion exports only station numbers if you select single sub-survey of cave > As a workaround y

[Therion] survey-level

2012-04-16 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello Is -layout-survey-level works for XVI export? -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] extend hide

2012-04-01 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
01.04.2012 0:59, Martin Sluka написал: > Just question: do you need ? Isn't enough small_part> You right, in this case unselect is not necessary. But in some other cases "unselect whole_cave" is needed. And I just always use explicit unselect. -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] extend hide

2012-03-31 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello "extend hide" lead to enlarge white space in XVI image of my extended elevation. Difficult to locate xvi content on large blank grid in small_part.th: extend hide 16 at small_part 16_back at small_part in thconfig: unselect whole_cave select small_part export -fmt xvi in XVI file:

[Therion] infer plumbs

2012-03-08 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
08.03.2012 12:26, Olly Betts пишет: > Your example has no such clino readings, so enabling this option will > have no effect. with -90/+90 have no effect too -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] drawing map over xvi: best practices requested

2012-03-08 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello Possible two workflow for drawing map over xvi: First: 1) integrate new centerline in whole cave (loops closed) 2) process whole cave and export xvi 3) draw over xvi 2) process map Second: 1) process only new centerline and export xvi (no loops) 2) draw over xvi 3) integrate new centerline

[Therion] infer plumbs

2012-03-08 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello "infer plumbs on" not affected to vertical shot correction with loop closure Example: source survey test centerline infer plumbs on 1 2 10 0 0 2 3 10 - down 3 4 10 0 0 4 5 20 150 0 5 6 10 - up equate 1 6 endcenterline

[Therion] map title

2012-03-01 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
01.03.2012 15:09, Bruce пишет: > Remember that if you don't select any maps, by default therion selects all > maps, and that if you don't select any surveys, by default therion selects > all surveys. Thanks. I just try to delete main map from project and all sub-maps displayed. My previous m

[Therion] map title

2012-03-01 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
01.03.2012 14:44, Martin Sluka пишет: > It is a feature, because you may define several maps or submaps so > Therion must know which one to export. IMO, Therion select last defined map if no explicit select. But if select implicit, Therion export map without some parts of it (without title)

[Therion] map title

2012-03-01 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello Map title from "map my_map -title" is not displayed in pdf output without explicit use of "select my_map". It confusing -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] filename/path encoding

2012-02-27 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello === encoding utf-8 input === Therion try to open file with name in raw encoding. It is not work on Windows. -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] point section -visibility off

2012-02-22 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
22.02.2012 14:35, Martin Sluka пишет: >> "point section -visibility off" is not hides cross-section > > it couldn't. Point section is not visible visible. What you need to hide > one section or all of them? I need temporary hide some cross-sections. -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] point section -visibility off

2012-02-22 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello "point section -visibility off" is not hides cross-section -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] Loch error on ubuntu

2012-02-16 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello Ubuntu 11.10, Therion 5.3.8, netbook with Intel 945GME video controller The program 'loch' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)'. (Details: serial 931 error_code 9 request_code 136

[Therion] Ubuntu and russian fonts

2011-12-31 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
31.12.2011 2:20, Stacho Mudrak пишет: > You probably need to uncomment/add also this line to therion.ini: > > tex-fonts raw cmr10 cmti10 cmbx10 cmss10 cmssi10 > Thanks, it help Also, time ago I reported an error with "XTherion control" window. Now I see it is no problem on Linux, but on Win

[Therion] Ubuntu and russian fonts

2011-12-29 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
29.12.2011 9:48, Vasily Vl. Suhachev пишет: > 22.12.2011 17:33, Martin Budaj пишет: >> It should be enough to uncomment the line starting with "tex-fonts >> cmcyr" in therion.ini to enable cyrillic fonts in therion. > > Error after uncomment: I am missin

[Therion] Ubuntu and russian fonts

2011-12-29 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
22.12.2011 17:33, Martin Budaj пишет: > It should be enough to uncomment the line starting with "tex-fonts > cmcyr" in therion.ini to enable cyrillic fonts in therion. Error after uncomment: ### metapost log file This is MetaPost, version 1.208 (k

[Therion] Ubuntu and russian fonts

2011-12-18 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello Therion on Ubuntu created PDF with dots instead of cyrillic texts. How to fix this problem? -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] flags

2011-12-11 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
11.12.2011 4:51, Bruce: > I don't think I would find that approach useful as in many (most?) cases you > would need to specify dozens of station pairs. Generally the existing > syntax is much more compact. Yes, the existing syntax is good for human, but create difficulties when I process survey

[Therion] flags

2011-12-10 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello What are you think about second behaviour of "flags" command like second behaviour of "extend"? Example: flags duplicate 1 at survey flags not duplicate 2 at survey flags splay 1 at survey 2 at survey It is make possible to keep such commands in one place. -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] extended+xvi+sketches error

2011-11-25 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello Error in xvi with sketches for extended elevation, see picture Therion 5.3.9 -- WBR, Vasily -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: clip1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 51594 bytes Desc: not available URL:

[Therion] extended profile preview idea

2010-11-07 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello I am working on project with large profile and using XVI for preview result during editing "extend" commands. But it is very slow! XTherion hanged a minute on each load of XVI file, on each zoom-in or zoom-out. And XTherion can't zoom out less then 25%, so I can't browse overall picture

[Therion] extended profile and XVI bug

2010-11-07 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello I have encountered old bug with extended profile and XVI. Bug does not affect Therion 5.2.8. See attachment -- WBR, Vasily -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: th.7z Type: application/octet-stream Size: 86081 bytes Desc: not available U

[Therion] XVI with sketch

2010-02-16 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
> You need to crate a map with centerline and scrap with sketch. You can > do it directly in tnconfig. Something like this should work. If not, > could you please send me some minimal sample? In this case Therion crashed with message "memory can not be read" Last Therion message is: converting a

[Therion] XVI with sketch

2010-02-15 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello I am used thconfig like this: - input "large_centerline_with_loops_closure.th" input "new_survey.th2" # sketches enabled select new_survey.whole_cave export map -fmt xvi -o new_survey.xvi -proj plan -layout-sketches on - Therion generated XVI of "new_survey", but without sketch ima

[Therion] bug report

2009-12-02 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello I am found some bugs, 5.2.14 XTherion 1) text in "Help->Controls..." for russian translation must be in CP-1251 (now in UTF-8) 2) slash in "command line options" editbox now must be doubled, example: -p ..\\.. 3) scrollbar of side panel initialized incorrect at first time after .th2 fil

[Therion] Version Control Systems and Therion

2009-11-15 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello We are using Mercurial distributed VCS. Main repository maintained by myself, other contributors bring changes to me on flash-cards or send patch-files by email It is possible to get free mercurial hosting: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/MercurialHosting -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] centerline maps

2009-10-12 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello PDF maps from centerline is usable, but not for all cases... When passages is overlaped each over it is very annoying. It is possible to do some feateres: enable transparent LRUD polygons and draw it with slim borders? Image in attachment demonstrates my troubles -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] equates to non-existing stations

2009-07-16 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello, All. Therion process "equate" command with non-exists stations, and no warning or error raised... look like a bug PS: 5.2.7 and 5.2.9 -- WBR, Vasily 16 июля 2009 г.

[Therion] pdf creation for very small pages

2009-07-09 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello! You can use "doPDF" pdf virtual printer(freware) and your prefered office package to prepare and print text. -Original Message- From: "Bruce Mutton" To: "'List for Therion users'" Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:21:33 +1200 Subject: [Therion] pdf creation for very small pages > > C

[Therion] units tape feet

2009-07-08 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello! Command "units tape feet" not affect on passage dimensions, LRUD assumes as metric. How to set units for LRUD? (Therion 5.2.7) -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] sketch + xvi

2009-05-31 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello, All. XTherion have ability to transparent display the xvi over sketch image. How to bring sketch and xvi to same scale to combine it in XTherion? Now I iterative pick up scale of image in graphic editor, but it is very tedious... PS: Sketches is drawn "in scale", and scaned at 200 or 300

[Therion] extend hide + xvi

2009-05-18 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello! "extend hide" not work for xvi files on my Therion 5.2.7 Example data: 202 203 7.4 0 -90 [0 0] [0 0] [0 0] [0 0] group flags duplicate 202 202_left1.2 318 0 [0 0] [0 0] [0 0] [0 0] extend hide 202_left 202 202_right 1.5

[Therion] Compiler Preview Pane

2009-01-26 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello, Stacho > Unfortunatelly, it is very difficult to control Acrobat Reader in > Win32 environment, and therefore it probably does not work. I will > leave this box only for linux version probably. I am used this preview feature on Windows, it is useful. And improvemet request ;) On Windows e

[Therion] russia

2008-12-12 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello > Where i can found Russia Therion group? or any contacts with active members. russian Therion users group is not exists, afaik but some individuals online :) -- WBR, Vasily