[tw] Re: Tiddler-Based-Communication-Protocol

2011-11-17 Thread Tobias Beer
But if anyone can think of an assertion that can safely be made if you can identify a specific field as being a UUID, please tell me. Well, anything can be used as a uuid, the thing is, there needs to be a protocol around communicating about tiddlers that tells you exactly how it is defined,

[tw] Re: Tiddler-Based-Communication-Protocol

2011-11-17 Thread Tobias Beer
But if anyone can think of an assertion that can safely be made if you can identify a specific field as being a UUID, please tell me. Well, anything can be used as a uuid, the thing is, there needs to be a protocol around communicating about tiddlers that tells you exactly how it is defined,

[tw] Re: Tiddler-Based-Communication-Protocol

2011-11-17 Thread Tobias Beer
But if anyone can think of an assertion that can safely be made if you can identify a specific field as being a UUID, please tell me. Well, anything can be used as a uuid, the thing is, there needs to be a protocol around communicating about tiddlers that tells you exactly how it is defined,

Re: [tw] Re: Business Thought [was: Important Message from Eric]

2011-11-17 Thread Ben Gillies
Thanks for the pointers, but they sort of reinforce that it seems less work to build from scratch. All of those examples are plain HTML and JavaScript so other than the reliance on the TiddlySpace server for persisting data they pretty much _are_ built from scratch. First off - we're

[tw] Re: giewiki - beginner questions

2011-11-17 Thread Seba
Hi Bauwe, thx for the quick reply. I made some progress regarding the user management thanks to your help. I am still having problems with admin aspect though and here are my next questions: 1) I created a user who should not have the admin rights and yet they can log in as administrator based

[tw] Alternative to LoadTiddlersPlugin to manage sync scheme ?

2011-11-17 Thread julien23
Hi all Due to LoadTiddlersPlugin troubles with modern browsers [1] I am considering changing it... I have a net TWs that pick tiddlers packages in a central MasterTW.[2] What would you recommend me ? How do you manage your sync scheme ? I need * load sets off tiddlers * load from other folders

Re: [tw] Re: TiddlySpaceMailBox - messages from/to on TiddlySpace

2011-11-17 Thread chris . dent
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Måns wrote: Is the problem caused the title of the tiddler ends with: ...@mama ?? Perhaps, this may be tickling a bug in the TiddlySpaceIntraSpaceInclusion plugin. Can you try disabling just that? -- Chris Dent

Re: [tw] Re: Business Thought [was: Important Message from Eric]

2011-11-17 Thread chris . dent
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Miles Fidelman wrote: - hence, it's better as an existence proof, and a source of ideas - but it's easier to redesign from scratch to get to a useful platform This is the case with about 95% of the open source out there in the world, and is not necessarily a bad thing. If

Re: [tw] Re: Tiddler-Based-Communication-Protocol

2011-11-17 Thread chris . dent
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Tobias Beer wrote: list filter [tag[U-U-I-D]] Why would you ever do this? Because with uuids disambiguation would be based upon them and not upon titles. Why? Adding a uuid _can_be_ for disambiguation within a tiddlywiki, but it doesn't _have_to_be. In the use case we

Re: [tw] Re: Tiddler-Based-Communication-Protocol

2011-11-17 Thread chris . dent
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, PMario wrote: So, in my thinking UUIDs could be used for everything. The tiddler.title's are hollow words. This would change everything about TiddlyWiki. The core code, hundreds of plugins. We don't want that do we? Thus: uuid as a field. Low impact change. -- Chris

Re: [tw] Re: Tiddler-Based-Communication-Protocol

2011-11-17 Thread chris . dent
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Poul wrote: But if anyone can think of an assertion that can safely be made if you can identify a specific field as being a UUID, please tell me. assert this.tiddler == that.tiddler That's the _only_ assertion you can make with a real id. But that's the one we want.

Re: [tw] Re: Business Thought [was: Important Message from Eric]

2011-11-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
Ben Gillies wrote: - it's virtually impossible to understand what's going on under the hood without completely deconstructing the raw code - hence providing an incredibly steep learning curve for even making small modifications, much less using it as a platform All of those examples are

Re: [tw] Re: Business Thought [was: Important Message from Eric]

2011-11-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
Miles Fidelman wrote: Keep in mind that this is a thread on the BUSINESS side of TiddlyWiki - starting from Eric's statement about finding a way to get paid for some of his TiddlyWiki work, and then Jeremy's posts about going out on his own and focusing on making TiddlyWiki good. My

Re: [tw] Re: Tiddler-Based-Communication-Protocol

2011-11-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
Tobias Beer wrote: But if anyone can think of an assertion that can safely be made if you can identify a specific field as being a UUID, please tell me. Well, anything can be used as a uuid, the thing is, there needs to be a protocol around communicating about tiddlers that tells you exactly

[tw] Re: giewiki - beginner questions

2011-11-17 Thread Seba
I found out when pages don't get saved. Actually, they are saved, but deleted when restarting the computer (when using Ubuntu). In Windows everything works fine. Did I miss a step when setting up the Google app engine in Ubuntu? Apparently nothing gets written to my profile. And ideas? thank you.

Re: [tw] Re: Tiddler-Based-Communication-Protocol

2011-11-17 Thread chris . dent
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011, Miles Fidelman wrote: I've been remiss in not jumping in earlier to point out that at least one obvious approach to a tiddler-based communication protocol is simply to - define an XML representation of a tiddler - start from the Atom schema - move Tiddlers around using

Re: [tw] Re: Tiddler-Based-Communication-Protocol

2011-11-17 Thread chris . dent
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011, chris.d...@gmail.com wrote: You get people who lose focus from the original concept and start talking about all the things that will be possible _locally_ if the global functionality is achieved, distracting discussion from actually achieving the local functionality.

Re: [tw] Re: Business Thought [was: Important Message from Eric]

2011-11-17 Thread Ben Gillies
I'm not quite sure why you keep going back to TiddlySpace. You wrote: I expect we're going to go off and write our own framework for single-page applications - because it sure looks a lot easier than buliding on Tiddly. That's sort of a shame. To which cdent mentioned that non-TiddlyWiki

[tw] Re: TiddlySpaceMailBox - messages from/to on TiddlySpace

2011-11-17 Thread Måns
Hi Chris this may be tickling a bug in the TiddlySpaceIntraSpaceInclusion plugin. Can you try disabling just that? THANKS!!! I believe you nailed the problem!!! When I disabled the TiddlySpaceIntraSpaceInclusion plugin the problem seems to have dissapeared!!! My little message/TsMailBox

Re: [tw] Re: Business Thought [was: Important Message from Eric]

2011-11-17 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Some general reflections on this thread from me: * TiddlyWiki does indeed lack the level of documentation that one would expect. Originally, TiddlyWiki itself was pretty small, and for a long time I carefully maintained the idea of a good read-source experience: that someone with a little

[tw] Re: Tiddler-Based-Communication-Protocol

2011-11-17 Thread PMario
On Nov 17, 9:15 am, Tobias Beer beertob...@googlemail.com wrote: tidcom:{         version:http://tidcom.org/v1;,         format:json,         standard:http://tidcom.org/tiddler/v1;,         extensions:{ Tobias, This may be interesting: http://substance.io/michael/data-js - Section 4.1 Usage.

[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki.com vs. TiddlyWiki Community Site

2011-11-17 Thread Tobias Beer
Mhhh, Tiddlywiki.org really needs a huge overhaul ...in terms of much needed content categorization and accessibility and, most importantly, the underlying template. I think it begs for a clean initial design which is then implemented in a template that provides all the needed placeholders and ui

Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki.com vs. TiddlyWiki Community Site

2011-11-17 Thread chris . dent
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011, Tobias Beer wrote: Is it possible to implement a switch that would theme tiddlywiki.org differently for visitors as opposed to members? For one, I don't really want my profile image on the landing page or really any page This is possible if there are two sets of the

[tw] Re: giewiki - beginner questions

2011-11-17 Thread Poul
In the console output from dev_appserver.py you will probably see this message: WARNING 2011-11-17 19:46:42,731 datastore_file_stub.py:512] Could not read datastore data from /tmp/dev_appserver.datastore Apparantly that's where dev_appserver.py puts its database by default - obviously not the

[tw] Re: giewiki - beginner questions

2011-11-17 Thread Poul
In the console output from dev_appserver.py you will probably see this message: WARNING  2011-11-17 19:46:42,731 datastore_file_stub.py:512] Could not read datastore data from /tmp/dev_appserver.datastore Apparantly that's where dev_appserver.py puts its database by default - obviously not the way

[tw] Re: giewiki - beginner questions

2011-11-17 Thread Seba
Thank you very much for this insight. So if I understand this correctly, I can use giewiki as a multiuser application productively only on Google hosted service and not locally on my own server? regards seba On 17 nov., 21:53, Poul poul.stauga...@gmail.com wrote: In the console output from

[tw] Re: giewiki - beginner questions

2011-11-17 Thread Bauwe Bijl
There is also an option to run an appspot server on your own (not the sdk dev server). For instance you can use this: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/appengine The turnkey appliances are build on ubuntu, small iso's , which can be installed to a harddisk as os, booted live from cd/usb or installed on

[tw] Re: giewiki - beginner questions

2011-11-17 Thread Seba
I'll have a look at that. Basically, I like tiddlywiki very much and I use it everyday for different purposes, so I want to expand the use to a server side solution, however I am limited to our own servers. And unfortunately as I am not a programmer, I can't contribute much to such development:(

[tw] Re: Tiddler-Based-Communication-Protocol

2011-11-17 Thread Poul
On 17 Nov., 14:07, chris.d...@gmail.com wrote: You get people who believe in XML and probably once thought XSLT was going make everything okay and if we can get tiddlers to fit in that world, all the rest kind of falls out. Initially, I actually designed giewiki to be delivered as XML + XSLT,

[tw] Re: giewiki - beginner questions

2011-11-17 Thread Poul
I'm aware that a Google-hosted server might not be acceptable due to 'company policy', but in terms of a good alternative for in-house hosting, I expect AppScale (http://code.google.com/p/appscale/) would be a better solution for multiuser applications than the turnkeylinux option which as I far

[tw] not working properly in chrome

2011-11-17 Thread Nike Skylark
i've been using tiddlywiki for years and always in firefox. i recently switched to chrome and it's not working properly. the problem is it works *sometimes*. it'll always load and allow me to edit but it'll only let me save at random times. i keep having to open and close my wiki repeatedly and

Re: [tw] not working properly in chrome

2011-11-17 Thread hansbkk
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 9:34 AM, tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com wrote:  not working properly in chrome Nike Skylark nikeskyl...@gmail.com Nov 17 04:23PM -0800 i've been using tiddlywiki for years and always in firefox. i recently switched to chrome and it's not working properly. the problem is

[tw] Re: giewiki - beginner questions

2011-11-17 Thread Seba
Thank you for that suggestion too, and I may also add, that I am not limited to linux OS, I just prefer it. Any tiddly server side solution for Windows is also fine:) regards, seba On 17 nov., 23:59, Poul poul.stauga...@gmail.com wrote: I'm aware that a Google-hosted server might not be