[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Ciao Greg Thanks for that and the download of the skeleton. Its really useful background and confirms my limited experience so far. IMO getting TiddlyDesktop running portably (enough) is, I think, Step 1. Step 2 could be doing a PortableApps.com version. Need some way to specify put in PAc's D

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Hi All, Tried to make a PAc version of TiddlyDesktop back when node still ran in Windows XP. Command line allowed putting some files in the appropriate PAc Data directory but node still seemed to put some files in 'Appdata' on the PC's root drive. Need some way to specify put in PAc's Data fold

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Ciao Paul Hutch & all Paul Hutchinson wrote: > > ... package up Tiddly Desktop for the PortableApps platform. I'm seriously > considering doing it if I have a big enough chunk of free time someday. In > case anyone else wants to try doing it here's the page to start learning > how to do it.

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

For me there are these reasons to do updates: 1. Fixes for broken features due to OS updates 2. Fixes for security problems in Tiddly Desktop 3. New features in Tiddly Desktop Making updates easier to find/install is a good reason to package up Tiddly Desktop for the PortableApps platfo

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

A great advantage of assembling TW as packaged app is that, especially when the surface renderer is wrapped within it (e.g. TiddlyDesktop), is you can be surer it will work as you expect. Say you get a TW working really well. That works well in TiddlyDesktop. Why not just wrap it into TiddlyDes

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Mark & Mat I think the issue, at root, was more about "A web page is just a document" it is "NOT YET software". So your analogies are right but your conclusion misses that TW (html document) needs enfolding in a "runner" (executable) in order to be realised (application). In the same way that .

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

In theory yes, the wsserver command lets you serve images and other files that can be included in the wiki. Because of by how much trouble I have had making good documentation for the other features I haven't publicised that part yet. The quick version is you add a key filePathRoot to the setti

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Just curious. Will this version serve up external images like tiddly server does? -- Mark On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 1:18:44 PM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote: > > I updated the stand-alone executables so they use the file location as the > basis for relative paths now. I was able to put the three e

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

I don't get that. Isn't "Personal Wiki" specific enough? Otherwise you should only have word processors that only do resumes, spreadsheets that only do taxes, MP3 players that only play classics, browsers that only visit Google, etc. -- Mark On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 2:38:57 AM UTC-7, Mat

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Mat and all Regarding PortableApps.com ... first off I'm not sure everyone knows that a PortableApps.com portable application is NOT the same as most "portable applications" (which are mainly "portable enough" but can still leave residue on the host). PA.c requires not just proven portability

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

That is interesting ... For Windows usage IF you made a system that kept running after terminal termination it could be a piece of a "user-friendly" approach. I'm talking here only about thoroughly debugged node (& relatives) based runners of TW. But for that it could bring things closer to se

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

TonyM, regarding HTA Maybe it still has a role for certain types of apps? The problem is, as far as I know, is that is its an abandoned approach. Docs at Microsoft indicate that it supported for legacy reasons in Internet Explorer 11 (using code from Explorer 8). I think practically its too fa

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

I wonder if TiddlyServer or TiddlyDesktop could fit this especially when new TiddlyWikis can be created from within them. The specific Purpose is making tiddlywikis? The Same could be said for HTML editors etc... Perhaps under Development However if someone packages something perhaps with a ded

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Regarding Portableapps - which I don't think was commented on in this thread but in some other threads, but it seems relevant here: People should know I proposed TW for Portable apps in their forum several years ago. The reply was basically that they only w

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Folks, I just wanted to add the HTA version of Tiddlywiki has some limitations, However being able to download load it is only a matter of saving the current tiddlywiki with a hta extension rather than a html extension. This would save the extra step of uploading a renamed version to the host a

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Post Script To Spawn a new instance of TiddlyWin use Spawn {{$:/info/url/full}} Tony On Saturday, 24 March 2018 11:29:44 UTC+11, TonyM wrote: > > I love to hear all this talk, I am looking for the same holly-grail. > > Here are some additions to the discussion. > > TiddleyMultiUser single execut

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

I love to hear all this talk, I am looking for the same holly-grail. Here are some additions to the discussion. TiddleyMultiUser single executable (Jeds is brilliant, and with the improvements mentioned hear is very cool) this is even before I have exploited the MultiUser features) As jed po

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

> We can also make a desktop file that launches it, so that no terminal is > needed > > ... Or one could simply make it a keyboard shortcut -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

As I'm a fan of pm2 - one can use it to start the single executable and close the terminal afterwards, pm2 keeps it running pm2 start --name multiuser /path/to/executable to stop it afterwards: pm2 stop multiuser to start it again: pm2 start multiuser reloading:

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Jed Since things are going well I thought to make some minor points. IMO adding a starting line on the console ... That says something like ... " -- DON'T CLOSE THIS WINDOW UNTIL DONE -- It is running TiddlyWiki in your browser" I'm sure there could be a better way to phrase it. B

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Brilliant. Solves the problem. J. On Friday, 23 March 2018 21:18:44 UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote: > > I updated the stand-alone executables so they use the file location as the > basis for relative paths now. I was able to put the three executables (for > windows, linux and osx) on a thumb drive and

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

I updated the stand-alone executables so they use the file location as the basis for relative paths now. I was able to put the three executables (for windows, linux and osx) on a thumb drive and then make a wiki on my linux desktop, then plug it into the MacBook and use the same wiki there and t

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Teething issues. Test 1 - So having set up as explained at: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/I3naFCl37kc/nU75sR4iBAAJ I copied the whole install to J:\twMU\ (USB pen drive). Started the server. Clicked on one of the wikis (relative paths that in theory should work). The *server crash

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

One issue in Windows for naive users will be that they don't inadvertently close the console Window. Once you up and running its probably better that its minimised to the tray, or that the over-easy close button is disabled. That can be done via Windows but I'm yet not sure if there is a univer

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Ciao Jed with your revised easier wiki creation schema I have managed to create wikis. Concerning portability. After creating them I went to Control Panel > Node Settings > Manual Settings and adjusted them to be Windows relative paths. Like this ... Where "." = current directory (=director

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Jed Carty wrote: > > > Also, what do you mean by 'not portable'? It should be at least as > portable as the options you mentioned. > I'm pretty sure that your tool can be used portably. I'll try again on your latest version and let you know when I get extra wikis working. FYI, to be decently po

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Jed I'll explain in more detail later. But the basic issue in Windows is that to execute a file from another directory than the one it is in means that writes are relative to the directory run from, not relative to the directory the executable is in. A way round this is to use environment vari

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

If what you are saying is true than you are running into errors on windows that I can't see because I can't test on windows. So knowing about them would be really nice for me. Also, something that is probably relevant is that I redid how you make new wikis so it doesn't use shell scripts anymor

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Jed Footnote. I didn't mention your app. not because I think it isn't good. *I think its brilliant. *Rather because its not quite finished. And I'm unclear on some aspects of how to run it on Windows portably. That is most about me playing with the Windows path syntax till I get something that

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

I get your point. In theory it is. But at naive user level its not quite what you think. Because users don't know what you know. For instance, if you just click on the .exe that starts it on on Windows from outside of the directory it is in (say from some file browsers) it can create configura

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

How is this different than what I did packaging the multiuser plugin? It does what tiddlyserver does (serves multiple wikis), and when you open it you get a fully working tiddlywiki without any installation. Is there some difference or have I just been bad at showing what is there? -- You rece