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2005-07-18 Thread Joseph Gray
I have noticed that this list seems to send emails out of sequence. I have seen other instances of this, but the two messages I just sent in response to the HP 5060A query arrived in reverse order and show time stamps 30 minutes apart. I sent my replies to the list about one minute apart. Mayb

Re: [time-nuts] New member with an HP5060A

2005-07-18 Thread Joseph Gray
This guy sells a manual for $58: http://www.w7fg.com/manuals.php?find=H&page=11 - Original Message - From: "Micke (ComHem_kort)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 1:44 Subject: [time-nuts] New member with an HP5060A Hi there, My name is Mikael Alexandersson, I

Re: [time-nuts] New member with an HP5060A

2005-07-18 Thread Joseph Gray
A Google search finds this information: http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/5060A.html - Original Message - From: "Micke (ComHem_kort)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 1:44 Subject: [time-nuts] New member with an HP5060A Hi there, My name is Mikael Alexanders

Re: [time-nuts] RE: Micro phase stepper

2005-07-18 Thread buehl
I just finished a design using programmable delay lines similar to the Maxim parts (From Data Delay Devices in New Jersey, USA). Was disappointed in the step to step errors. Using the 1nS per step device, I measured the delta of some steps as short as .4 nS. Average of many steps was fine. A

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC - A Cautionary Tale

2005-07-18 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike S) writes: : At 04:36 PM 7/18/2005, M. Warner Losh wrote... : : >: By attempting to ignore an intrinsic reality, we are making such : >: issues more likely, not less. How about an extension to ISO 8601 : >: that would permit

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC - A Cautionary Tale

2005-07-18 Thread Mike S
At 04:36 PM 7/18/2005, M. Warner Losh wrote... >: By attempting to ignore an intrinsic reality, we are making such >: issues more likely, not less. How about an extension to ISO 8601 >: that would permit distinguishing timescales, something like: >: >: 2005-07-18T12:34:56Z (UTC) >:

[time-nuts] New member with an HP5060A

2005-07-18 Thread Micke \(ComHem_kort\)
Hi there, My name is Mikael Alexandersson, I have an old Cesium, a HP5060A (sn 055 !). Do you any advice how to start checking up this unit, a quick look inside the unit reveals that it seems a bit different then the HP5061A. If I can't get it in order (as I assume that I couldn't.), I was

[time-nuts] Re: UTC - A Cautionary Tale

2005-07-18 Thread Rob Seaman
Chris O'Byrne says: I'll give you a very concrete example of the harm of leap seconds. As part of my interest in astronomy, I chase total solar eclipses. I've written a program that runs on your mobile phone to calculate when you can expect to see the eclipse start and end from your location (ht

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC - A Cautionary Tale

2005-07-18 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Rob Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : Your program could have been layered on TAI. Layering the program on TAI is likely a non-starter. Since the cellular networks use UTC, he'd still need to know about leapseconds. There's no way around that require

[time-nuts] RE: Micro phase stepper

2005-07-18 Thread Tom Clark
Ulrich, DF6JB asked can someone please explain to me how a micro phase stepper works? Is it a pure digital device or does it make use of analog delay line techniques? What is the maximum delay and what is the delay step size? Here I describe two different types of phase

Re: [time-nuts] Micro phase stepper

2005-07-18 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Hi Folks, > > can someone please explain to me how a micro phase stepper works? Is it > a pure digital device or does it make use of analog delay line > techniques? What is the maximum delay and what is the delay step size? > > Thanks in advance for your help > > Ulrich Bangert, DF6JB Hopeful

Re: [time-nuts] Micro phase stepper

2005-07-18 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Hi Folks, > > can someone please explain to me how a micro phase stepper works? Is it > a pure digital device or does it make use of analog delay line > techniques? What is the maximum delay and what is the delay step size? > > Thanks in advance for your help > > Ulrich Bangert, DF6JB We cove

Re: [time-nuts] Micro phase stepper

2005-07-18 Thread David Forbes
Ulrich Bangert wrote: Hi Folks, can someone please explain to me how a micro phase stepper works? Is it a pure digital device or does it make use of analog delay line techniques? What is the maximum delay and what is the delay step size? Thanks in advance for your help Ulrich Bangert, DF6JB

[time-nuts] Micro phase stepper

2005-07-18 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Hi Folks, can someone please explain to me how a micro phase stepper works? Is it a pure digital device or does it make use of analog delay line techniques? What is the maximum delay and what is the delay step size? Thanks in advance for your help Ulrich Bangert, DF6JB

Re: [time-nuts] am, m, pm and ?

2005-07-18 Thread Tom Van Baak
> What I'm wondering is what do we call midnight, given these conventions? The > time 00:00:00 is not really pm or am, as are 11:59:59 pm and 00:00:01 am > are. Somehow saying 12:00:00 am sounds inconsistent. Is there perhaps some > archaic suffix that was or is used to denote exact midnight, just

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC - A Cautionary Tale

2005-07-18 Thread Mike S
At 08:34 AM 7/18/2005, Chris O'Byrne wrote... >>>The kind of "simple arithmetic" that I was thinking about precludes >>>the use of look-up tables. >> >> Yet you consider quadratic equations to be "simple arithmetic?" > >Simple arithmetic would give an order of magnitude better ESTIMATE. That >ESTI

[time-nuts] Re: UTC - A Cautionary Tale

2005-07-18 Thread Chris O'Byrne
Bill asked - > The initial message asserts that leap > seconds are harmful. The argument remains unfocused because the > nature of the harm has not been specified. I'll give you a very concrete example of the harm of leap seconds. As part of my interest in astronomy, I chase total solar eclipses.