[time-nuts] DST and leap hours

2005-07-27 Thread Tom Van Baak
Here's an interesting one... Did I get the math right? Those of us here in the USA are faced again with a proposed change in DST rules. Is this local to the US or is there a similar daylight saving time inflation trend in other countries? Previously we had about 7 months of saving time; the new

Re: [time-nuts] DST and leap hours

2005-07-27 Thread Joseph Gray
I have always hated DST. I would rather they do away with it entirely. Maybe I should move to Arizona? - Original Message - From: Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:36 Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] Cable Delay Measurements

2005-07-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Joseph Gray wrote: I'd appreciate it if you stuck your request here. http://www.drkirkby.co.uk/community/test-equipment/ I like the idea. Thanks - it is nice to know I have not totally wasted my time, although getting to grips with bits of perl warrants the time spent. There is nothing

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC

2005-07-27 Thread Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rob Seaman writes: Now, for 3 t-shirts Poul, reread Rob's last paragraph, but this time with your blinders removed. I'm still trying to get the same

[time-nuts] Re: Allan Deviation of Z3801A

2005-07-27 Thread Tom Van Baak
Dear Tom Van Baak, Sorry to bother you in this way but I cannot get registered on time-nuts mailing list. Thanks for the mail. Very pleased to meet you. I'll cc time-nuts and John can add you to our list manually. My name is Lymex Zhang (or Zhang Limin, if direct translate from Chinese), I

[time-nuts] Re: Allan Deviation of Z3801A

2005-07-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak wrote: Dear Tom Van Baak, Sorry to bother you in this way but I cannot get registered on time-nuts mailing list. Thanks for the mail. Very pleased to meet you. I'll cc time-nuts and John can add you to our list manually. Hi Lymex -- Welcome to time-nuts! I've added you to

[time-nuts] 50th Anniversary of the Atomic Clock

2005-07-27 Thread Tom Van Baak
2005 is the 100th anniversary of Einstein's first set of famous papers, including the one on relativity. This has received a fair amount of press this year. Less well known is that 2005 is also considered the 50th anniversary of the atomic clock. Here is a collection of papers and links if you're

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Allan Deviation of Z3801A

2005-07-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike S writes : At 01:38 PM 7/27/2005, Bill Janssen wrote... If anyone has access to specifications for SONET or SDH the jitter spec. may be related to the above 9.8e-13. I worked on those spec.'s a long time ago and don't remember the details but we were concerned

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC

2005-07-27 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Poul, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: hand. Seconds are just a frill to civil timekeeping. Wlll, almost. You see, the technocratic part of the population is very busy spinning a technological net around the rest of the population, a net where seconds can cost you fortunes one example

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC

2005-07-27 Thread Warner Losh
Certainly. But what's your point? I don't see these utilities failing if a second slips here or there. The one case where time is critical is the power grid, and they keep their own time (Which, IIRC approximates UTC). The long term average of the power grid in the US is 60.000 Hz. Short

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC

2005-07-27 Thread Warner Losh
The truly critical time functions will continue to use TAI, or some variant as they currently do TAI time isn't a silver bullet. It is a timescale that one can recover, with some effort, but only if one can get the leapsecond meta-data from somewhere else, since time is overwhelming

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC, 60 Hz

2005-07-27 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: Does your phase plot mean that a mains powered wall clock might be off by 10 seconds? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke, N6GCE -- w/Java http://www.PRC68.com w/o Java http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/PRC68COM.shtml http://www.precisionclock.com Tom Van Baak wrote: . . . For real plots

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC, 60 Hz

2005-07-27 Thread Brian Kirby
I have a digital clock that runs from the 60 hertz power. I have noticed several times that TVA power can gain time up to 15 seconds compared to UTC. Takes a few weeks. I also did a stability test using a rubidium and dividers and I showed about a +/- 0.03 hertz deviation over one hour,