Re: [time-nuts] Datum 9390 - Y2K update?

2006-03-06 Thread Doug Millar
If your 9390 comes up with the correct date by itself, it is Y2k OK. Be sure to check whether it is set for UTC or GPS time. Doug At 06:16 PM 3/6/2006, you wrote: >I just purchased a Datum 9390 off EBay. The seller is warning me >that she was told that the 9390's need some sort of up

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-DC MK III serial IO question ...

2006-03-06 Thread Don Mimlitch
John: I also recently acquired a GPS-DC on eBay and have it working. The XL-DC manual at this link: http://www.symmetricom.com/support/download_manual.aspx?DocID=463 is very close to the GPS DC. You can use the Function 04 on the front panel to configure the RS232 port. Mine is set to

Re: [time-nuts] FTS4060 Continuing Saga, GPS rain

2006-03-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Brooke, don't know if this will be of any help as you're looking at your 4060 (and it may or may not be of any interest to the group as a whole) but I'm about 15 days into what I hope will be long-term monitoring of my two 5061As and one 5065A against GPS. I'm using a setup that should be parti

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread David Forbes
At 7:58 PM -0800 3/6/06, Tom Van Baak wrote: >> of things. But there are places with more water in the air than >> Boston, as has been pointed out. I think Seattle may qualify from >> time to time. > >There are many ways to measure rainfall but the most >basic statistic will surprise you: the av

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread Didier Juges
I had to look for that info: Here we go, this chart http://www.met.utah.edu/jhorel/html/wx/climate/normrain.html says Pensacola (40 miles to my west) gets 62 inches annualy. Surprisingly (to me), the land record (excluding the Pacific islands) goes to Yakuta, AK with 151"!!! No GPS controlled t

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread Tom Van Baak
> of things. But there are places with more water in the air than > Boston, as has been pointed out. I think Seattle may qualify from > time to time. There are many ways to measure rainfall but the most basic statistic will surprise you: the average annual rainfall in Seattle is about 36 inches

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread Didier Juges
Na, rain drops in Seattle are usually small, compared to these big buckets we get down here in Florida :-) Not unusual to see 3 to 6 inches/hour of rain over a short period of time. That's the way it feels too if you are out when it happens... Didier KO4BB David Forbes wrote: >Google led me to

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread Didier Juges
I think the problem with rain is not the effect on the direct signal, which is negligible as your calculation showed, but the effect of multipath. Is a rain cloud is nearby, it could reflect signals with significant strength, causing multiple receptions at your location, with signals that may

[time-nuts] Datum 9390 - Y2K update?

2006-03-06 Thread Karl F Strauss
I just purchased a Datum 9390 off EBay. The seller is warning me that she was told that the 9390's need some sort of update w/r/t Y2K in order for it to operate. The seller states (and the pticures show) that the unit responds Self Test OK during power on. The seller is giving me the right to

[time-nuts] GPS-DC MK III serial IO question ...

2006-03-06 Thread John Pettitt
hopefully somebody on this list has a TrueTime GPS-DC ... I've just set up my new (to me) GPS-DC MK III. It seems to be working (gets a fix, show itself as locked and the stats look fine). The 1PPS output works and is currently syncing one of my NTP boxes. However I can't get the RS232 outpu

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread David Forbes
Google led me to a paper written 10 years ago at by some folks at Lincoln Labs that determined the GPS-rain delay value experimentally. The paper is at http://gauss.gge.unb.ca/papers.pdf/ion96am.anthea.pdf and the results are up to 300 mm of delay to a GPS signal caused by rain at MIT Haystack

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Tom Clark, K3IO (ex W3IWI) wrote: > David, > > Maybe we can figure this out. First, the refractive > index of water is about 1.3. So I think this means > the propagation speed of radio waves in water is > down to about 0.75 c, right? 1.3 is about right in the optical region, but I believe the ef

[time-nuts] ? if gps is down

2006-03-06 Thread Hannu Kandelberg
hi im new to this i downloaded the digests and i am trying to browns them i have one question first i am trying to build a simple gps pll'd ocxo and i want to make shure that when i loose gps signal the vco signal to the ocxo switch to an manuel mode or the last vco voltage my first thogt was a

Re: [time-nuts] Rain, Water, etc

2006-03-06 Thread Tom Clark, K3IO (ex W3IWI)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David and Tom opined: Rain should have an effect on the timing of the signal, since the propagation speed of radio waves through water is different from that through air. It will also attenuate the signal, causing worse S/N ratio which would cause the lower-eleva

Re: [time-nuts] FTS4060 Continuing Saga

2006-03-06 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Gar: Interesting. I just tried a 30 minute power down, and again the ALIGN light in on. So I guess it's an overnight power down to get it reset. More tomorrow, Brooke NE8S wrote: >Brooke, > >Now that you mention it, I did power down at first for 45 minutes. After >this initial power-up

Re: [time-nuts] FTS4060 Continuing Saga

2006-03-06 Thread NE8S
Brooke, Now that you mention it, I did power down at first for 45 minutes. After this initial power-up sequence, the same prevailed. I then decided on the 24 hour down period for the oscillator and cesium ovens to fully recycle. Gar - Original Message - From: "Brooke Clarke" <[EMAIL P

Re: [time-nuts] FTS4060 Continuing Saga

2006-03-06 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Gar: OK. It's time to pull the plug and leave it out for awhile. I tried pulling the plug for 10 seconds, but that may not have been long enough to get the oven cooled down. More later, Brooke NE8S wrote: >Brooke, > >One of my FTS4060's behaved the same way during a power interrupt. It wa

Re: [time-nuts] FTS4060 Continuing Saga, GPS rain

2006-03-06 Thread NE8S
Brooke, One of my FTS4060's behaved the same way during a power interrupt. It was the only one that was not on a UPS. After many attempts to reset the logic while powered up, I finally brought the clock down and 24 hours later, powered it back up again. As a result, it performed its normal powe

Re: [time-nuts] FTS4060 Continuing Saga, GPS rain

2006-03-06 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: I think the problem is related to the FTS4060. During the brown out my computer and the SR620 counter reset, but the two green LEDs on the 4060 stayed on, at the time my thought was "cool". But the yellow "Align" light behind the door has turned on and so far I have not been able to

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1290A Manual Wanted

2006-03-06 Thread Rob Kimberley
Brooke, Nothing here. Rob K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brooke Clarke Sent: 06 March 2006 03:07 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 1290A Manual Wanted Hi: An Austron 1290A backup p

Re: [time-nuts] FTS4060 Continuing Saga, GPS rain

2006-03-06 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Rain should have an effect on the timing of the signal, since the > propagation speed of radio waves through water is different from that > through air. It will also attenuate the signal, causing worse S/N > ratio which would cause the lower-elevation satellites to not be seen. David, Maybe

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1290A Manual Wanted

2006-03-06 Thread Rob Kimberley
Brooke, Will check and get back to you. Rob K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brooke Clarke Sent: 06 March 2006 03:07 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Austron 1290A Manual Wanted Hi: An Aust

Re: [time-nuts] FTS4060 Continuing Saga

2006-03-06 Thread Hal Murray
> Rain should have an effect on the timing of the signal, since the > propagation speed of radio waves through water is different from that > through air. It will also attenuate the signal, causing worse S/N > ratio which would cause the lower-elevation satellites to not be seen. That's what I wo