Re: [time-nuts] TRIMBLE GPS RECEIVER MODULE PART# B12118-13321

2007-02-13 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello Brooke, wow, great feedback on this item! Who is keeping track of all of the interested parties? How can we do a group purchase? bye, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] HP10544a Adapter Board

2007-02-13 Thread Bill Jones, K8CU
I have the adapter board for the HP10544a OXCO. (Adapter is part no. 05328-20027. Does anyone know whether the pinout is the same as the oscillator pinout? (I think it may be different based on following the traces.) Does anyone have a schematic or other information concerning the board?

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread Rob Kimberley
Shill bidding is putting false bids (from friends etc) on to drive the price up when you are selling. Putting a large first bid is sometimes done from someone going away for the duration of the auction and putting on the highest amount he wants to pay in an attempt to secure the deal in his

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread Dave Brown
Re the dc requirements for this- I suspect the -12 is only used for the RS232 interface and 25 mA (from the datasheet) seems on the high side for that? 10 mA sounds much more likely (as per the manual). As well, the manual figure of 750mA for the +12 seems more likely than the datasheet

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolts available (maybe in quantity)

2007-02-13 Thread ji1qgk
I'd like to buy two units, if the price about $200-$250. 73 Hiro JI1QGK ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread N3IZN
I used the Contact Seller button and asked him where the units came from. He confirmed they were from the same E911 box I got mine from. He must of got that pallet I was trying to get! @#$% Any ways here are my comments on them all though I'm a newbie at this. Mine used a +12, two +5 and

Re: [time-nuts] TRIMBLE GPS RECEIVER MODULE PART# B12118-13321

2007-02-13 Thread Jason Rabel
I was really hoping for more like a low of $200 (or less) and a high of at most $250 for one of these. That's not even considering shipping and doing something about the power inputs. Come on Brooke... Haggle the guy down, you can do it Jason I've gotten the discount schedule: 10-50 =

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread Hal Murray
Mine used a +12, two +5 and a -7 VDC. I know the manual says the thunder bolt requires a -12 but mine had a -7 on it Is the -12 used for anything other than driving the RS-232 signals? I expect that would work with almost anything. The data out is Trimble propriety and you have to use

Re: [time-nuts] TRIMBLE GPS RECEIVER MODULE PART# B12118-13321

2007-02-13 Thread Richard W. Solomon
That seems like a lot of money for something you can build for around $100 !! I've built two of the G3RUH/N1JEZ design and they work just fine. Got one locking up a Tuned Cavity PLO at 970 MHz for UHF Cal, the other as a Time Base reference for a couple of counters. 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original

Re: [time-nuts] TRIMBLE GPS RECEIVER MODULE PART# B12118-13321

2007-02-13 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Brooke, I Agree with Jason. $300 is a good try for 50 units on his side, he probably paid $100 ea. for them. He was willing to let a single unit go for $250 on Ebay with all the hassle of listing it, taking payment, paying Ebay and Paypal their 10% share etc. He would probably let

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/13/2007 09:13:50 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: used the Contact Seller button and asked him where the units came from. He confirmed they were from the same E911 box I got mine from. He must of got that pallet I was trying to get! @#$% Hi

[time-nuts] Cesium Beam Lifetime

2007-02-13 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello guys, I got my FTS4050 Cesium Reference, and have it up and running. It works quite well. The Beam current reads 1.8V (I guess this means 1.8mA?), and Zeeman works. I am now fine-tuning with GPS. Some questions I had: * Can I read the remaining lifetime of the Cs tube out of

Re: [time-nuts] TRIMBLE GPS RECEIVER MODULE PART# B12118-13321

2007-02-13 Thread Jason Rabel
I doubt he even paid $100 each for them. If he has a few hundred of them he probably got them on a pallet bundle in an auction or about to be junked. He might be able to sell a few at a premium price on eBay, but after that As for eBay fees... my calculations show about $16 - $20 for

Re: [time-nuts] TRIMBLE GPS RECEIVER MODULE PART# B12118-13321

2007-02-13 Thread Robert Deliën
I doubt he even paid $100 each for them. If he has a few hundred of them he probably got them on a pallet bundle in an auction or about to be junked. Exactly; If he has over 100 units it's highly unlikely he paid $100 a piece for them. Very few people would pay that kind of money for so many

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 31, Issue 35

2007-02-13 Thread Christopher Hoover
I think 10 or more have expressed an interest so far [in a Thunderbolt group purchase] I'd take one. -ch ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread n3izn
Tell me more about NTP and GPSD? I seem to remember downloding something that was suppose to translate Trimbles messages to standard NEMA data but gave up trying to make it work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 9:58 AM Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] TRIMBLE GPS RECEIVER MODULE PART# B12118-13321

2007-02-13 Thread TheInfamousFlavio
Someone just posted Thunderbolt type boards for $275 on ebay. Claims might have a better oscillator then stock Thunderbolt and 5 10mhz outs + power supply. Still a good deal. Only three though. - Original Message - From: Robert Deliën [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/13/2007 12:34:00 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for the price, I would hold off. It is a nitch market. His first few may go for $250 or more but eventually the prices will go down. He has a low EBAY rating so he is new. Eventually he will figure

[time-nuts] GPS for Spirent Smartbits

2007-02-13 Thread Eduardo Jacob
Hello After putting the question in TAPR list about GPS, I have been suggested to put here. We (at our university research group) use Spirent Smartbits Hardware... (http://www.spirentcom.com/documents/1374.pdf) They are network traffic generator. They have ports separate ports that can be

Re: [time-nuts] Tac32oid program for Linux?

2007-02-13 Thread Brendan Minish
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 23:22 -0500, xaos wrote: I have written a Linux based program that interfaces with many Motorola receivers and provides a command line interface for all functions. Thank you George. I had been looking for something like this for a while. Install was easy and it's a Nice

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt

2007-02-13 Thread Colin Bradley
The following is a list of the people who have expressed an interest in the Thunderbolt. Colin Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 units Robert E. Martinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 unit John Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 or 2 units Hal Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 unit Said Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 unit Scott

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt

2007-02-13 Thread David C. Nelson
I haven't had a chance to reply until now, but I would be interested in a unit if the price is $250 or less. On Feb 13, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Colin Bradley wrote: The following is a list of the people who have expressed an interest in the Thunderbolt. Colin Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3

[time-nuts] Thunderbolts, Z381Aa, 10811s

2007-02-13 Thread Hal Murray
How good is the crystal on the Thunderbolt clones? How good is the software? How do they compare to the Z3801A? Any chance the new toys will fill that niche now that the source of Z3801As has dried up? Speaking of Z3801As... There are 2 on eBay. One at $600 BIN and the other at $255 with

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt

2007-02-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'd take one, too, if the price comes down a bit. John Colin Bradley said the following on 02/13/2007 06:52 PM: The following is a list of the people who have expressed an interest in the Thunderbolt. Colin Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 units Robert E. Martinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt

2007-02-13 Thread bg
I would be interested in two units at lower than $250 each. /Björn On Wed, February 14, 2007 1:30, John Ackermann N8UR said: I'd take one, too, if the price comes down a bit. John Colin Bradley said the following on 02/13/2007 06:52 PM: The following is a list of the people who have

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt

2007-02-13 Thread Colin Bradley
Here is the updated list of persons who have expressed an interest is the Thunderbolt group purchase. Colin Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 units Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread Hal Murray
Tell me more about NTP and GPSD? I seem to remember downloding something that was suppose to translate Trimbles messages to standard NEMA data but gave up trying to make it work. All I was trying to say is that any reasonably determined hacker should be able to get something working.

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt

2007-02-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Add me for one. John Colin Bradley said the following on 02/13/2007 07:56 PM: Here is the updated list of persons who have expressed an interest is the Thunderbolt group purchase. Colin Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 units Didier

[time-nuts] TTL to RS-232

2007-02-13 Thread N3IZN
Thought I would pass this on. I was working on one of those GPS disciplined oscillators kits out there and it didn't have provisions to read the NEMA data to see if it was locked or not. So I was at the local electronics surplus parts store (AKA junk place) and started looking for MAX232

Re: [time-nuts] TTL to RS-232

2007-02-13 Thread Joseph Gray
Great tip. Thanks for sharing. You're lucky to have a decent surplus place locally. If I were to walk into the only so-called surplus place we have and asked for a MAX232 chip, I'd get blank stares. If it's not 50 years old, or a new clone PC component, he won't have it or know what it is.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS for Spirent Smartbits

2007-02-13 Thread Hal Murray
If you have an Internet access you can get a time reference with NTP and even do timed captures. We would like to get 2 GPS timing systems in order to test influence of handovers in Wimax on moving vehicles. What sort of timing accuracy do you need? Assuming a few ms rather than a few

Re: [time-nuts] TTL to RS-232

2007-02-13 Thread Hal Murray
This cable had a DB 9 on one side and the other plugged in to the cell phone. From his suggestion, I cut off the cell phone plug end and stripped the wires. Plugged it in to a pc with procomm running in chat mode. It was just a process of elimination to see which one was sending data

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt

2007-02-13 Thread Didier Juges
You must have missed me: Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] Didier Colin Bradley wrote: The following is a list of the people who have expressed an interest in the Thunderbolt. Colin Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 units Robert E. Martinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 unit John Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt list

2007-02-13 Thread Colin Bradley
The latest list of interested Thunderbolt Purchase Persons (TPP's). Colin Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 units Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 unit Robert E. Martinson

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread Connie Marshall
Is a GPS antenna and a Power Supply the only extras needed to have a fully functional unit. Connie K5CM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:36 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] Cesium Beam Lifetime

2007-02-13 Thread Didier Juges
Can't help with Cs tubes, but the HP 5370 can do 12 digits/second and many other amazing things, such as 20pS resolution time interval in single shot, and 0.1pS in repetitive mode. This is what I have learned about counters lately: The 5370A is relatively common on eBay, I bought two units

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt list

2007-02-13 Thread Joe Landers
Please add 1 unit for me: Joe Landers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colin Bradley Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:53 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt list The latest list of

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread Didier Juges
Connie Marshall wrote: Is a GPS antenna and a Power Supply the only extras needed to have a fully functional unit. Connie K5CM That would be the case for a standard Thunderbolt. Now, to know if your unit is any good, you need two others, and an Rb or Cs oscillator would not hurt... Do

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread bg
On Wed, February 14, 2007 2:05, Hal Murray said: I haven't looked carefully at the Trimble support in ntp. A quick poke at google shows some discussion about adding Thunderbolt support, but I don't see it in the latest source code.

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread Steve
Two other what? Thunderbolts? I'm new at this . . . would you be so kind as to elaborate? Thanks. Steve K8JQ Didier Juges wrote: Connie Marshall wrote: Is a GPS antenna and a Power Supply the only extras needed to have a fully functional unit. Connie K5CM That would

Re: [time-nuts] Cesium Beam Lifetime

2007-02-13 Thread John Miles
In addition to what Didier's saying about the 5370A, there is a 5370B up there right now ( http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120086699371 ) that'll probably work OK once the clock-source switch on the back is flipped to INT. That was the case with another one offered by the same

Re: [time-nuts] Cesium Beam Lifetime

2007-02-13 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Didier, that's great info thanks so much, I'll be looking for one... price seems reasonable. I have a 5334A and B, and love the fact that they run quietly. Something to consider on the 5370. My dream counter is the 53132A, but those are so expensive... bye, Said

Re: [time-nuts] Cesium Beam Lifetime

2007-02-13 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi everyone, I got a quote for the Symmetricom Cs tubes. No comment. After having done a little research, we do not have any replacement tubes for the FTS4050 Model. We have new tubes for Models 4040, 4065, and 4201. The cost $17,800 bye, Said

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread Didier Juges
Well, some of us who have been on this list much longer than me can tell you that when you only have one clock, it's pretty hard to tell if it's working right, or how accurate it is. If you have two clocks, they probably won't agree perfectly, and you have no way to tell which is right, if

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread John Miles
To answer the original question, a Thunderbolt or similar GPS standard is MORE than capable of telling you if it is working properly. There is no reason to use more than one of them at a single location. The Trimble software will tell you how many nanoseconds the 1-PPS output is off, and how