[time-nuts] HP59309A HP-IB Digital Clock Operating and Service Manual

2007-04-25 Thread Martin Fischer
Hello Community, thank you all for your hints concerning the HP59309A Clock and your kind assistance with making available the Operating and Service Manual. My HP 59309A had a real problem: One of the input protection diodes of the EXT FREQ STD input was shot. Suspect the

Re: [time-nuts] SMB-F to SMA-F Cable

2007-04-25 Thread James R. Gorr
If no one stepped up yet, let me see what connectors I have. I know I got LMR-100 but not sure if I have the connectors, but this will be the excuse I need to run to the supply house and stock up... Jamie --- Jason Rabel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I figured I would make the request to you guys

[time-nuts] FMT

2007-04-25 Thread Connie Marshall
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[time-nuts] GPS Disciplined Oscillators

2007-04-25 Thread Mike Feher
I have to show my ignorance here, because this has been bothering me for a while, and, I wonder if there is a relatively simple answer. This question has to do with frequency accuracy and stability only. Also, let's talk of long term like 24 hours or more, so let's ignore phase noise and just

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Disciplined Oscillators

2007-04-25 Thread Jason Rabel
Mike, I just so happened to be reading through my TS2100 manual and came across a bit of info that might be applicable to your question: The info below is for the various oscillator options you can get, and while the number can vary based on the exact oscillator used (and its age), it should

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Disciplined Oscillators

2007-04-25 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/25/2007 09:50:38 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, to reiterate the question, if I was clear enough, what kind of frequency excursions should I anticipate to see amongst my three disciplined oscillators in lets say 24 hours, or in a month. Assume GPS

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-25 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/24/2007 15:14:11 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is unclear to me if the spurious is normal or not. The spurious of my PRS10 is 60dB down the 10MHz so it is strange that you see no spurious. Hi Henk, try running your PRS10 from a Pb

[time-nuts] Wavecrest noise measurement hardware

2007-04-25 Thread John Miles
As an aside, how do the Wavecrest machines work? Do they just run the signal into a low-jitter ADC with a high-quality clock and derive all the timing information digitally, or is the box full of low-noise tunable synthesizers, mixers, filters, and the usual stuff? -- john, KE5FX Hi Henk,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Disciplined Oscillators

2007-04-25 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Mike: Nice to see you here. This is my take on it, but there are others on this list that are much more knowledgeable. The key to the performance of a GPSDO has to do with the Allan plots for the oscillator, GPS receiver and it's antenna and . . . . Also the Time Interval counter used

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, try making the sine wave of the PRS10 into a nice, fast edge rate square-wave with a Fairchild NC7SZ04 driver inverter for example. The Wavecrest units don't work as well with sine waves as with square waves. On the SZ04, put a 10nF cap in series to

Re: [time-nuts] Wavecrest noise measurement hardware

2007-04-25 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: John Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [time-nuts] Wavecrest noise measurement hardware Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:43:30 -0700 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] As an aside, how do the Wavecrest machines work? Do they just run the signal into a low-jitter ADC with a high-quality clock and

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-25 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/25/2007 11:55:53 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And on the opposite front, the TSC-5120 isn't very happy with a square wave input, particularly if harmonics fall within its input range. The symptom is lots of spurs showing up in the phase noise

Re: [time-nuts] Wavecrest noise measurement hardware

2007-04-25 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/25/2007 11:45:41 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As an aside, how do the Wavecrest machines work? Do they just run the signal into a low-jitter ADC with a high-quality clock and derive all the timing information digitally, or is the box full of

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Disciplined Oscillators

2007-04-25 Thread Bill Hawkins
Mike, If you have three different oscillators that are locked to GPS, then any difference seen when you read your clock once a day will be caused by the short term noise. When you take the noise difference counts as a percentage of counts in a day, the result is a smaller number than if the

[time-nuts] Updated VLBI tutorial available on gpstime.com

2007-04-25 Thread Tom Clark, K3IO
Next week the VLBI community is having another TOW (Technical Operations Workshop) at the Haystack Observatory NW of Boston. The audience for the TOW is mainly the technicians at each site who drive the telescopes and keep the hardware running. VLBI is crucially dependent on timing and every

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-25 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi, Thank you all for the frequency plots of the PRS10. It is very interesting to see these and find the differences. In the mean time I have restarted my PRS10 and have seen that some spurious signals are large at start up and reduce after that. I have attached a screen shot of the hp8590

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I'm going to ask a seemingly stupid question, but bear with me: Are you sure those signals are really present on the output ? The reason why I ask is that you are in a frequency territory where EMI is both radiated and conducted so you have to be really careful with your setup, grounding in

Re: [time-nuts] Updated VLBI tutorial available on gpstime.com

2007-04-25 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: I didn't see in the VLBI slides what was done to tune the delay line, but did see a hint that there's been a firmware upgrade for it. Can you elaborate? I like the Cursor Clock on your web page. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-25 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi Poul-Henning, 1. It is not a stupid question but a very valid one. 2. I was aware of the EMI possibility and tried ferrites on the supply and signal wires with no result. 3. I will try batteries but have to find enough of them. 4. On the spectrum analyzer, I checked the amplitude setting

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-25 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/25/2007 12:49:47 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: spurious. The spurious seem to be harmonics of the 357MHz synthesizer, we see the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th harmonic. (The marker is on the 3rd harmonic). The spurious between 500MHz and 700MHz are not

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Henk ten Pi erick writes: 2. I was aware of the EMI possibility and tried ferrites on the supply and signal wires with no result. If your powersupply is not very high quality, you are almost certain to create a ground-loop through the power-cords of the

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-25 Thread Dave Brown
Henk Do any of the spurious signals show on the SA with a search antenna (located in your lab environment)connected instead of the PRS10? DaveB - Original Message - From: Henk ten Pierick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Updated VLBI tutorial available on gpstime.com

2007-04-25 Thread Tom Clark, K3IO
Brooke Clarke asked: I didn't see in the VLBI slides what was done to tune the delay line, but did see a hint that there's been a firmware upgrade for it. Can you elaborate? Rick's latest version uses a delay line with more per-bit precision (now 150 psec steps). We also found that Motorola