Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread Pete
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Gentlemen, Using oscilloscopes to measure relative phase has been widely used for a long time. The setup appears in many H-P Op/Srv manuals in the adjustment procedure section to calibrate the instrument timebase to a shop

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY From: Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:07:29 -0600 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pete, Using oscilloscopes to measure relative phase has been

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread Hal Murray
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Another question, has anyone here used an HP 3575A Gain Phase Meter (1Hz - 13MHz) to set their Rubidium to match the GPS sourced 10 MHz clock? Would that method be more accurate to line the Rubidium up than using a 12

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread Rob Kimberley
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi Pete, Please send me details off list, and please take no notice of know it alls who berate anything that doesn't meet their level of electronic understanding! Actually I find negative comments and put downs like that

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread Rex
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY CHazlitt wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hello again, Another question, has anyone here used an HP 3575A Gain Phase Meter (1Hz - 13MHz) to set their Rubidium to match the

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 9/28/2007 02:07:08 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In this context, how stable is a GPSDO? If I used a Cesium for the sync input, how much fuzz would I see on a GPSDO output if I watched it wander back and forth for a day? Hi HMurray, depends on

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread SAIDJACK
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 9/28/2007 02:07:08 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In this context, how stable is a GPSDO? If I used a Cesium for the sync input, how much fuzz would I see on a GPSDO output if I

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread ernieperes
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi SAID, I am interested about this OEM PCB with external OCXO, due to the reason I have 3 HP OCXO 10811 and the other one, so please put me on the waiting list. Many thanks and best regards, Ernie. HG5ED

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 9/28/2007 14:13:34 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am interested about this OEM PCB with external OCXO, due to the reason I have 3 HP OCXO 10811 and the other one, so please put me on the waiting list. Hi Ernie, no problem, 10811's are great.

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi HMurray, depends on the GPSDO. On the Fury for example you can expect the unit to wander less than +-15ns back and forth over a period of 1 Day. That's a deviation of about 3.5E-013 or so

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread Scott Mace
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Put me on the list. I'm interested in using it with LPRO-101 units. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 9/28/2007 02:07:08

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 9/28/2007 16:14:00 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Put me on the list. I'm interested in using it with LPRO-101 units. Scott Got it Scott, bye, Said ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread SAIDJACK
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 9/28/2007 16:02:30 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surely a height error of 2m leads to a timing error of about 6.6ns for a particular SV when that SV is directly overhead. When the SV

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/28/2007 16:02:30 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surely a height error of 2m leads to a timing error of about 6.6ns for a particular SV when that SV is

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread Hal Murray
Our EFC output is 0V to 5V, so you can set the 10811 with the mechanical adjust to have a nominal voltage of 2.5V, I did that to one of my 10811's, works perfectly. If an OCXO needs -5V to 5V (some Wenzels need that for example) then a simple external Opamp circuit can shift the range from

[time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-28 Thread John Miles
Submitted for general discussion: I have a need to divide a low-noise 80-MHz clock by two, twice, to obtain 40 MHz and 20 MHz outputs, and my current thinking is that the quietest way to do this is with a pair of cascaded regenerative dividers. Does anyone have any 'favorite' papers or

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Rubidium to match GPS source

2007-09-28 Thread SAIDJACK
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 9/28/2007 17:28:22 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: symmetric about the actual propagation delay, so in this case quoting the propagation delay error range perhaps imparts a pessimistic

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
John Miles wrote: Submitted for general discussion: I have a need to divide a low-noise 80-MHz clock by two, twice, to obtain 40 MHz and 20 MHz outputs, and my current thinking is that the quietest way to do this is with a pair of cascaded regenerative dividers. Does anyone have any

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-28 Thread John Miles
You can do better than that, a single regenerative divider can be configured to divide by 4. A pair of parallel feedback paths (with amplifiers), one tuned to F/4 and the other to 3F/4 are best. NIST did some work (together with Indian collaborators) on this type of generalised regenerative

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY From: John Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:51:58 -0700 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Bruce Griffiths wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: The article in question is... http://tf.nist.gov/timefreq/general/pdf/1890.pdf but also http://tf.nist.gov/timefreq/general/pdf/1800.pdf See for yourself. Cheers,

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY John Miles wrote: Thanks much, Bruce. I suspected either you or Enrico R. would have some knowledge of that. Note that I need to end up with 40 *and* 20 MHz, hence the plan to cascade two /2 dividers. If there is a

Re: [time-nuts] Basic regenerative-divider questions

2007-09-28 Thread John Miles
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY What's the crystal for? Crystal filters aren't usually necessary The nature of the filter(s) is one of the questions that I'm hoping those papers will help answer. I was guessing that a crystal filter would make the

[time-nuts] URL to photos of Lucent RFG-XO Circuit Boards

2007-09-28 Thread CHazlitt
Hi, I had a request for photos of the Lucent RFG-XO unit with the 10 MHz Efratom TCXO in it. The photos can be viewed at: This URL: http://imageevent.com/qdf_files/rfgxo/rfgx Chris KL7FB ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To