Re: [time-nuts] Checking the Frequency of a Rubidium Oscillator

2008-11-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
WB6BNQ skrev: > GEEZ, > > After all this discussion, it sounds like he should consider 2 Cs space > devices, > one main and a secondary. Actually, I would pick rubidium sources unless extreme stability and offset is needed. The longer lifetime and less weight compared to Cs devices would be a

Re: [time-nuts] Checking the Frequency of a Rubidium Oscillator

2008-11-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
Poul-Henning Kamp skrev: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Magnus Danielson writes: > >> Once doppler bin and phase has been achieved for each PRN, [...] > > Just a footnote to say that as soon as you start receiving ephemerides > from the first sat, the search-space can be significantly reduced

Re: [time-nuts] Checking the Frequency of a Rubidium Oscillator

2008-11-11 Thread WB6BNQ
GEEZ, After all this discussion, it sounds like he should consider 2 Cs space devices, one main and a secondary. BillWB6BNQ Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Magnus Danielson writes: > > > Once doppler bin and phase has been achieved for each PRN, [...] > > Just a

Re: [time-nuts] Checking the Frequency of a Rubidium Oscillator

2008-11-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Magnus Danielson writes: > Once doppler bin and phase has been achieved for each PRN, [...] Just a footnote to say that as soon as you start receiving ephemerides from the first sat, the search-space can be significantly reduced if you care to do the, rather longha

Re: [time-nuts] Checking the Frequency of a Rubidium Oscillator

2008-11-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
Björn Gabrielsson skrev: > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:28 -0800, Lux, James P wrote: >> A GPS receiver actually solves for the state vector of the receiver >> (including the local clock error) using the raw observables from the >> tracking loop (code phase). The nav equations calculate (apparent) r

Re: [time-nuts] Checking the Frequency of a Rubidium Oscillator

2008-11-11 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bruce: It's my understanding that if you look at the signal from a common GPS antenna and feed it into a spectrum analyzer you will not see the signal. My guess is that when developed by the military it was designed to be a stealth system. GPS is what's called a Spread spectrum signal. Als

Re: [time-nuts] Checking the Frequency of a Rubidium Oscillator

2008-11-11 Thread Björn Gabrielsson
On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:28 -0800, Lux, James P wrote: > > A GPS receiver actually solves for the state vector of the receiver > (including the local clock error) using the raw observables from the tracking > loop (code phase). The nav equations calculate (apparent) range and range > rate fro

Re: [time-nuts] Checking the Frequency of a Rubidium Oscillator

2008-11-11 Thread Björn Gabrielsson
On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:10 -0800, Hal Murray wrote: > > All the satellites are at the same frequency, and they are CDMA (each > > satellite has a different PN sequence on its signal) > > What's the bandwidth of an individual satellite? As said before. The carrier is chopped by a 1.023MHz PRN s

Re: [time-nuts] Checking the Frequency of a Rubidium Oscillator

2008-11-11 Thread Christian Vogel
Hi Hal, > What's the bandwidth of an individual satellite? the bandwidth is defined by the ~ 1 MHz "chipping" rate that phase-modulates the carrier, so it's roughly 1 MHz to both sides of the carrier (for the civilian signal). Search google images for "gps spectrum" to see plots... :-) Chri

Re: [time-nuts] Checking the Frequency of a Rubidium Oscillator

2008-11-11 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hal Murray > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:10 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Checking the Frequency of a Rubidium > Oscillator > > > > All

Re: [time-nuts] Checking the Frequency of a Rubidium Oscillator

2008-11-11 Thread Hal Murray
> All the satellites are at the same frequency, and they are CDMA (each > satellite has a different PN sequence on its signal) What's the bandwidth of an individual satellite? It may have been a different thread, but the Doppler shift is up to 2 KHz. Even if you could tune to an individual sa

Re: [time-nuts] Checking the Frequency of a Rubidium Oscillator

2008-11-11 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:28 AM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] Checking the Frequency of a Rubidium Oscillator > > > I have an EIP Model 548 counter with a

[time-nuts] Checking the Frequency of a Rubidium Oscillator

2008-11-11 Thread Brucekareen
I have an EIP Model 548 counter with a YIG-tuned front end that can be programmed to scan over narrow frequency ranges. By feeding the rubidium oscillator under test into the 10 MHz clock input of the counter, is there any reasonably simple way to directly measure the frequency of a GPS s

Re: [time-nuts] Link for T Mon

2008-11-11 Thread Didier
I have this and other Trimble software and documentation on my web site: http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl Search for Trimble Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS for space-based instrument

2008-11-11 Thread Lux, James P
On 11/11/08 2:55 AM, "Brian Kirby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Somewhere out there is the specs that GPS was designed to. It list some > of what they had to do, to make the rubidiums and cesiums work in the > environment they put them in. Believe they are called ICD-GPS-200 or > something li

[time-nuts] The other Trimble - NTPX26AB-06

2008-11-11 Thread Roy Phillips
I have just received a Trimble NTPX26AB-06, to add to the TBolt which performs perfectly. I am aware that some exchanges have taken place in the past with reference to this unit which it would seem was a Trimble design to offer a less expensive alternative to the HP- Z3801A. The obvious differen

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS for space-based instrument

2008-11-11 Thread Brian Kirby
Somewhere out there is the specs that GPS was designed to. It list some of what they had to do, to make the rubidiums and cesiums work in the environment they put them in. Believe they are called ICD-GPS-200 or something like that Marco IK1ODO -2 wrote: > At 09.37 11/11/2008, you wrote: >> Bo

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS for space-based instrument

2008-11-11 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
At 09.37 11/11/2008, you wrote: >Both Symmetricom and Frequency Electronics provide specialist space >qualified products. It's not just a case of ruggedisation, but radiation >hardening, g sensitivity which need to be designed in. > >Rob Kimberley Also, space qualified GPS must handle the larger d

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS for space-based instrument

2008-11-11 Thread Rob Kimberley
Both Symmetricom and Frequency Electronics provide specialist space qualified products. It's not just a case of ruggedisation, but radiation hardening, g sensitivity which need to be designed in. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf