Re: [time-nuts] OT: Levelled sine wave generator

2008-12-15 Thread Bruce Griffiths
WB6BNQ wrote: Bruce Griffiths wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: Bruce Griffiths skrev: David C. Partridge wrote: Sort of related, but only just - however the signal to noise ratio here is so good that I feel impelled to ask. For 'scope calibration I'm

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Levelled sine wave generator

2008-12-15 Thread Didier
Dave, You may want to look at the SG-503 Tektronix plug-in for a levelled sine generator. It goes to 250 MHz, and the full service manual with schematics is on my web site in the Manuals pages: http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl I have one and it works as advertised. Great for scope

Re: [time-nuts] 24 hour birth celebration period

2008-12-15 Thread Lux, James P
How close to you want to be. I always just use the 365.25 year length, so the time of birth rotates by 6 hours earlier each year; except in a leap year or the year after, depending on if your birthday is before or after 28 Feb, when it moves 18 hours the other way (back to actual time). We

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Levelled sine wave generator

2008-12-15 Thread Lux, James P
David C. Partridge wrote: Sort of related, but only just - however the signal to noise ratio here is so good that I feel impelled to ask. For 'scope calibration I'm considering building a levelled sine wave generator. Ideally the specs I'm looking for are: o Close to DC (10kHz or

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Levelled sine wave generator

2008-12-15 Thread David C. Partridge
Thanks for the pointer. I've taken a look at the AD8317. My main concern is whether it will operate accurately over the full range of frequency as the specification suggests a low frequency of 1MHz. On the accuracy front, the data sheet seems to suggest +/-0.25dB over the -50dBm to -10dBm range

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Levelled sine wave generator

2008-12-15 Thread David C. Partridge
Hi Didier, I was actually considering an SG-504 to get the frequency range at the upper end.I has however hoping to better both that and the SG-503 by putting it all in one for the complete frequency range and ideally having a better generator as as well. Conceptually I was hoping to aim for

Re: [time-nuts] Sub Pico Second Phase logger

2008-12-15 Thread Joseph M Gwinn
Bruce, time-nuts-boun...@febo.com wrote on 12/11/2008 08:36:47 PM: Joe Attached is noise spectrum (1kHz and below) of AP192 with nothing connected to inputs. Sampling rate 96KSPS. Frequency bin equivalent noise bandwidth ~ 3Hz. Noise has similar spectrum to flicker noise with a noise

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Levelled sine wave generator

2008-12-15 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Magnus Danielson wrote: Bruce Griffiths skrev: David C. Partridge wrote: Sort of related, but only just - however the signal to noise ratio here is so good that I feel impelled to ask. For 'scope calibration I'm considering building a levelled sine wave generator. Ideally the

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Levelled sine wave generator

2008-12-15 Thread WB6BNQ
Bruce Griffiths wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: Bruce Griffiths skrev: David C. Partridge wrote: Sort of related, but only just - however the signal to noise ratio here is so good that I feel impelled to ask. For 'scope calibration I'm considering building a levelled sine wave

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Levelled sine wave generator

2008-12-15 Thread WB6BNQ
Bruce Griffiths wrote: WB6BNQ wrote: Bruce Griffiths wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: Bruce Griffiths skrev: David C. Partridge wrote: Sort of related, but only just - however the signal to noise ratio here is so good that I feel impelled to ask. For 'scope

Re: [time-nuts] Sub Pico Second Phase logger

2008-12-15 Thread Joseph M Gwinn
Bruce, time-nuts-boun...@febo.com wrote on 12/11/2008 07:44:01 PM: Joe Isolation from mixer RF to LO port may be too low when the mixer input frequencies are different. Injection locking can then occur all too easily (just ask Ulrich about this) when the mixer RF ports are driven by 2

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Levelled sine wave generator

2008-12-15 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bruce Griffiths skrev: David C. Partridge wrote: Sort of related, but only just - however the signal to noise ratio here is so good that I feel impelled to ask. For 'scope calibration I'm considering building a levelled sine wave generator. Ideally the specs I'm looking for are: o Close

[time-nuts] OT: Levelled sine wave generator

2008-12-15 Thread Mark Sims
I have both the SG503 and SG504. You can get SG503's for cheap on Ebay. Also SG504's... if they don't have the leveling head. The SG504 head uses a custom ceramic hybrid detector (dual diode?) in the head (rough schematic in the SG504 manual available for download on BAMA). How about

[time-nuts] Close-in phase noise question...

2008-12-15 Thread wa1zms
Looking for comment here... The background: I'm working on a sub mm-wave LO chain for a ham radio application. While chasing issues of close-in phase (ie: within 1KHz of RF carrier) by peeling the layers of the onion, I'm starting to question the performance of the MMICs that are used as buffers

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Levelled sine wave generator

2008-12-15 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Bruce Griffiths wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: Bruce Griffiths skrev: David C. Partridge wrote: Sort of related, but only just - however the signal to noise ratio here is so good that I feel impelled to ask. For 'scope calibration I'm considering building a

[time-nuts] OT: Levelled sine wave generator

2008-12-15 Thread David C. Partridge
Sort of related, but only just - however the signal to noise ratio here is so good that I feel impelled to ask. For 'scope calibration I'm considering building a levelled sine wave generator. Ideally the specs I'm looking for are: o Close to DC (10kHz or 100kHz would be fine) up to at least

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Levelled sine wave generator

2008-12-15 Thread Bruce Griffiths
David C. Partridge wrote: Sort of related, but only just - however the signal to noise ratio here is so good that I feel impelled to ask. For 'scope calibration I'm considering building a levelled sine wave generator. Ideally the specs I'm looking for are: o Close to DC (10kHz or 100kHz

Re: [time-nuts] Close-in phase noise question...

2008-12-15 Thread Stan W1LE
Hello Brian, I hope you and yours have the very best of this Holiday Season. My considerations would be similar to spurious free dynamic range, keeping all discrete intermodulation products very low, which would in turn keep the intermodulation noise very low. When you drive an amp towards and

[time-nuts] Birthday silliness......

2008-12-15 Thread brice
Thanks John, First Rule - Stay off the internet when it is a eventful birthday and you have had a couple of beers. Your answer is what I was after after. I looked at the numbers again last night, could not get there. I remember when I was a kid, I tried to figure out if my birthday should be

[time-nuts] PTS160 GPIB

2008-12-15 Thread Had
Happy Holidays to Nuts of all types, Looking for a copy of the GPIB section of a PTS Synthesizer manual, preferably a 160, if it makes a difference. My manual only has the standard PTS remote information. Thanks, Had, K7MLR ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] Close-in phase noise question...

2008-12-15 Thread John Miles
The painful part is probably the first few stages, if you are starting at 5 MHz. You probably want to do some HP 8662A-like tricks using crystal filters to shave off the broadband noise below 1 GHz, and maybe SAW filters above that. This will do nothing for noise within 1 kHz, though... do you

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Levelled sine wave generator

2008-12-15 Thread Didier Juges
Dave, How about using a true signal generator? I have not checked the spec for my HP 8657B (it's flat enough for what I do), but it will do all that you are asking for, and being a true synthesizer, it can be used for much more than just calibrate scopes. If flatness is not good enough, that

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Levelled sine wave generator

2008-12-15 Thread David C. Partridge
If I could find a suitable sig-gen with the amplitude range, frequency range and the external levelling capability I'd probably go there (subject to cost). I've looked at the 8657A and B before, but as I didn't see anything in the specification sheet about being able to use an external

Re: [time-nuts] Close-in phase noise question...

2008-12-15 Thread J. L. Trantham, M. D.
I really enjoy reading the mail on this group, but I thought it was the 'front molecule on the cutting edge'. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of John Miles Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:15 PM To: Discussion of

Re: [time-nuts] Close-in phase noise question...

2008-12-15 Thread wa1zms
John- I do agree with you. The pain is in the early stages of the LO chain. Since I'm planning to use QRSS CW (that's very slow speed Morse Code with very narrow demod bandwidths for non-hams on this reflector who may not be familiar with QRSS), the noise very close to the carrier become key. A

Re: [time-nuts] Close-in phase noise question...

2008-12-15 Thread wa1zms
I would assume that the bleeding takes place just after the first molecule has performed it's dissecting task. -- Original message from J. L. Trantham, M. D. jlt...@worldnet.att.net: -- I really enjoy reading the mail on this group, but I thought it was the 'front

Re: [time-nuts] PTS160 GPIB

2008-12-15 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 15/12/2008 18:44:04 GMT Standard Time, h...@to-way.com writes: Looking for a copy of the GPIB section of a PTS Synthesizer manual, preferably a 160, if it makes a difference. My manual only has the standard PTS remote information. Hi Had If you

Re: [time-nuts] Sub Pico Second Phase logger

2008-12-15 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Joseph M Gwinn wrote: Bruce, time-nuts-boun...@febo.com wrote on 12/11/2008 08:36:47 PM: Joe Attached is noise spectrum (1kHz and below) of AP192 with nothing connected to inputs. Sampling rate 96KSPS. Frequency bin equivalent noise bandwidth ~ 3Hz. Noise has similar spectrum to

Re: [time-nuts] PTS160 GPIB

2008-12-15 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 15/12/2008 21:05:16 GMT Standard Time, gandal...@aol.com writes: If you check out the PTS manuals I uploaded to Didier's site I'm sure one of those has the GPIB section, if not let me know and I should be able to scan it from one of my other manuals. My original

Re: [time-nuts] Sub Pico Second Phase logger

2008-12-15 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Joe Joseph M Gwinn wrote: Bruce, time-nuts-boun...@febo.com wrote on 12/11/2008 07:44:01 PM: Joe Isolation from mixer RF to LO port may be too low when the mixer input frequencies are different. Injection locking can then occur all too easily (just ask Ulrich about this) when the

Re: [time-nuts] Close-in phase noise question...

2008-12-15 Thread Bruce Griffiths
wa1...@att.net wrote: Looking for comment here... The background: I'm working on a sub mm-wave LO chain for a ham radio application. While chasing issues of close-in phase (ie: within 1KHz of RF carrier) by peeling the layers of the onion, I'm starting to question the performance of the

Re: [time-nuts] Sub Pico Second Phase logger

2008-12-15 Thread Joseph M Gwinn
Bruce, time-nuts-boun...@febo.com wrote on 12/15/2008 04:34:34 PM: Joseph M Gwinn wrote: Bruce, time-nuts-boun...@febo.com wrote on 12/11/2008 08:36:47 PM: Joe Attached is noise spectrum (1kHz and below) of AP192 with nothing connected to inputs. Sampling rate 96KSPS.

Re: [time-nuts] Sub Pico Second Phase logger

2008-12-15 Thread Joseph M Gwinn
Bruce, time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [Bruce] wrote on 12/15/2008 04:56:26 PM: Joe Joseph M Gwinn wrote: Bruce, time-nuts-boun...@febo.com wrote on 12/11/2008 07:44:01 PM: [snip] Using a passive splitter for the LO drives will gain at least another 30dB in isolation

Re: [time-nuts] Close-in phase noise question...

2008-12-15 Thread wa1zms
Bruce- OK... So, linear operation does therefore seem to be the preferred way to operate these MMICs rather than operation into compression. That's what I seem to be observing if only because my final RF frequency is so high and RX bandwidth so low. Having said that, if my frequency synthesis

Re: [time-nuts] Close-in phase noise question...

2008-12-15 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Brian Low frequency noise modulates the switching times of the mixer components and hence produces close in phase noise. Diode mixers especially those using Schottky diodes have lower flicker noise than active mixers. Passive FET mixers are not immune to flicker noise. The level of such flicker

Re: [time-nuts] Close-in phase noise question...

2008-12-15 Thread Luis Cupido
Brian, I also think the linear operation would be better, but not so sure if bipolar transistors wouldn't be preferred over MMIC's for this (on bottom part of the spectrum) (ok... is not so handy). What I can certainly add to the discussion is that power amplification followed by higher rate

[time-nuts] Build my own dist. amp ??

2008-12-15 Thread BriMDavis
Just wondering if anyone has ever tried the MAX2470/2471 VCO buffers as part of a reference distribution design? _http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/1985_ (http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/1985) MAX2471specs: 10-500 Mhz 75 dB reverse isolation at 100 MHz

[time-nuts] Info needed: II Morrow A-22 LORAN Signal Generator

2008-12-15 Thread Thomas Linbeck
Colleagues, Would any of you be able to direct me to operation and/or service documentation for the II Morrow A22 LORAN Signal Generator? My web-searches have not proven eventful. The IC date codes put the manufacturing date in the 1985-1987 time periods. Any help would be appreciated.