[time-nuts] French Time offset

2009-03-17 Thread Rich and Marcia Putz
Thanks John, yes I'm real. The 1978 date is correct, I'm looking for the article to quote. Prior to the decree, France maintained a roughly twelve and a half minute offset. I always was struck by this as the BIPM is located in France, and has been for many years. Disagreement on the location o

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Basics of voltage calibration?

2009-03-17 Thread Jean-Louis Oneto
I suppose it was to to keep the electrolyt to slam around ;-} ??? Jean-Louis Oneto - Original Message - From: "Bill Hawkins" To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'" Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: Basics of voltage calibration? >

[time-nuts] Lady Heather display length limitation?

2009-03-17 Thread Mark Sims
The default is one day of data. The /Q command with no parameters gives 3 days. Otherwise you can use /Q=#seconds (up to one year). The /Q command assumes a one second plot interval. Using the /I command to increase the plot interval would increase the time accordingly.

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather display length limitation?

2009-03-17 Thread John Miles
The /q= command-line argument lets you expand the plot queue size. Looks like the default is 86400 entries for one day's worth of data taken at one-second intervals. Mark -- at one time it apparently was set to 3 days in the Windows version, but not now? Do you remember why it was backed down to

[time-nuts] Lady Heather display length limitation?

2009-03-17 Thread Freqtime
First of all, thanks to the developers of this great program. Second, is there a limit on the length of time that can be retained in memory for the displayed graph? I set the interval on 2 separate units to 1 second and ran them for a few days. Both computers only retained the latest day or so

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Rob you might be able to get the official line from Peter Whibberly at Teddington. Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: "Rob Kimberley" To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'" Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I can vouch for Rich -- he's been on the list for a long time. John Bill Hawkins said the following on 03/17/2009 06:33 PM: > Looks like the original post in this thread was a troll, as in fishing > for bites. > > Anybody know this guy? > > Bill Hawkins > > > -Original Message-

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Arnold Tibus
Magnus and all, interestlingly the discussion about GMT seem to be a never ending story, all over the world. As I know GMT was already renamed in the year 1925 ( or 1928 acc. other source ) to UT and "universal time coordinated" (U T C) (that) is standard since January 1, 1972. acc. "About th

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Bill Hawkins
Looks like the original post in this thread was a troll, as in fishing for bites. Anybody know this guy? Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Rich and Marcia Putz Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:55 PM Hi all; Gov't got to save that money for executive bonuses! Also, would anyone like

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Smith > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:05 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks > > Not exactly th

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Jean-Louis Oneto
Hello, The French Legal Time Reference is defined since a 1978 decree by the UTC(OP) realisation of UTC, as stated here: http://syrte.obspm.fr/index.php?prefix=temps&lang=en Furthermore, the International Earth Rotation Service at Paris Observatory is responsible for the leapseconds insertion in

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Magnus, at least as of 2000, "GMT" was still the legal time in the UK, though it doesn't have a technically accurate definition any more. A bill in 1997 attempted to change UK time to UTC, but it died in Parliament. There's some discussion of this at pages 93-94 of a book that was recommended

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Rob Kimberley
UTC is the accepted international standard, but GMT appears to be steadfastly held onto by the UK (especially Government departments). I believe that GMT is actually by definition UTC_NPL, i.e. NPL contributes to UTC, but will have a small local offset as will all contributors. Feel free to correc

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
Steve Rooke skrev: > Hi Magnus, > > Try this site out for size: > > http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/timezone.htm No. It just fails to make the distinction that I am asking for... Stockholm, Sweden is UTC+1h as normal time and UTC+2h as summer time, not GMT+1h and GMT+2h as indicated in t

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
Arnold, > I therefore cannot see any problem is with France, > but we have the need to define more precise and stable > reference time from where we can then measure and add > the Earth and Solar instabilities for our daily used standard > watches, in order to be enabled still to continue livi

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Ralph Smith
Not exactly the case. Radio components of the ADS-B system require 100 ns accuracy. Multilateration systems also require very precise timing between components. The navigation and communications systems are most definitely not looking at the hands of a mechanical watch. Ralph On Tue, March 17,

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Poul: I've more than once misread a clock display of the type 12:34:05. I've noticed that military clocks show 1234:05 and there's no mistaking the time. Seems like a more foolproof display format. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.prc68.com Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message , "Lux, J

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , "Lux, James P" writes: >On 3/17/09 5:58 AM, "Arnold Tibus" wrote: > >> Interesting facts: >> The GPS navigation system has GPS Time as its basis. Galileo >> will have TAI as its basis. GLONASS has UTC as its basis, >> Air traffic controllers are using UTC. >> > >The latter is probab

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Lux, James P
On 3/17/09 5:58 AM, "Arnold Tibus" wrote: > Interesting facts: > The GPS navigation system has GPS Time as its basis. Galileo > will have TAI as its basis. GLONASS has UTC as its basis, > Air traffic controllers are using UTC. > The latter is probably because air traffic control is basically

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Arnold Tibus
UTC? France? Of course they do accept it! see : Université de Technologie de Compiègne (UTC) (www.utc.fr/) [ ;-) ] More seriously: We do use in Europe, including France, CET ¡ Central European Time, Time zone offset: UTC + 1 hour. Interesting facts: The GPS navigation system has GPS Time as

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Didier
Not sure where that comment (and the question) comes from, since France is one of the originator of the standard... As far back as I can recall (admittedly maybe not THAT far, and the older I get, the less far that is...), UTC has been the time standard in France. Didier KO4BB time-nuts-boun...@

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Steve Rooke
And they are on CET = GMT+1 2009/3/17 Magnus Danielson : > Rich and Marcia Putz skrev: >> Hi all; >> Gov't got to save that money for executive bonuses! >> >> Also, would anyone like to speculate when France finally accepted UTC? > > Uhm? I thought France was UTC country... > > Anyone got a compre

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Steve Rooke
Hi Magnus, Try this site out for size: http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/timezone.htm 73, Steve 2009/3/17 Magnus Danielson : > Rich and Marcia Putz skrev: >> Hi all; >> Gov't got to save that money for executive bonuses! >> >> Also, would anyone like to speculate when France finally accepte

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
Rich and Marcia Putz skrev: > Hi all; > Gov't got to save that money for executive bonuses! > > Also, would anyone like to speculate when France finally accepted UTC? Uhm? I thought France was UTC country... Anyone got a comprehensive list of what time scale is legally accepted in various count