Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt firmware differences

2009-07-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Mark, Mark Sims wrote: I wanted to have Heather make a RINEX file that could be submiited to OPUS-GIS to get a more precise antenna location. The Tbolt does not support carrier phase measurements. It does output doppler values. The code phase (pseudorange) values that it outputs look

Re: [time-nuts] surplus carrier phase measurement-capable receivers (was Thunderbolt firmware differences)

2009-07-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
christopher hoover wrote: I wanted to have Heather make a RINEX file that could be submiited to OPUS-GIS to get a more precise antenna location. The Tbolt does not support carrier phase measurements. It does output doppler values. The code phase (pseudorange) values that it outputs look

Re: [time-nuts] EZGPIB delay triggers

2009-07-13 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Bill, there are two sleep commands: 1) Procedure EZGPIB_TimeSleep(HowLong:Double) 2) Procedure EZGPIB_TimeWaitForMultipleOf(Seconds:LongWord) where Howlong is in seconds and starts immediately after call. The second one is for you if you want to keep something synchronized to the computer's

Re: [time-nuts] surplus carrier phase measurement-capable receivers (was Thunderbolt firmware differences)

2009-07-13 Thread bg
What typically-available surplus receivers do carrier phase measurements[1]? I'm close to putting up a choke ring antenna I scored off of the surplus market on the roof -- I don't think the wife is going to let me build a proper monument in the yard. :-) Hence, I, too, am interested

Re: [time-nuts] Surplus carrier phase measurement-capable receivers

2009-07-13 Thread bg
The main problem is a standard L1 frequency only receiver is not much better than a plain jane receiver when Selective Availability is turned off (and particularly is WAAS corrections are available). This is the standard operating mode of GPS today. Choke ring antennas, etc are fairly

Re: [time-nuts] Performance of the Thunderbolt self-survey / antennas

2009-07-13 Thread bg
Bill, It might be a set of cake pans... ;-) -- Björn Mark, Is that thin or deep pan ? BillWB6BNQ Mark Sims wrote: Now that I have a precise spot (+/- 4cm) known on my front deck I set up a tripod and did numerous 1400 point self-surveys with a Thunderbolt. This spot is

Re: [time-nuts] surplus carrier phase measurement-capable receivers (was Thunderbolt firmware differences)

2009-07-13 Thread bg
But to answer the question, the CMC/Novatel series OEM boards, Motorola and Ashtech receivers can all have carrier phase ability. However, the carrier phase capable receivers is not easy to find. The Motorola Oncore VP did have carrier phase output. (with the right option loaded.) In newer

Re: [time-nuts] Purchasing a Trimble GPS timing solution

2009-07-13 Thread David Hilton-Jones
I note the Chinese supplier offers two kits, one more expensive than the other. The difference is the GPS aerial. Anybody any experience of the difference between them? David Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com 12/07/2009 23:21 I have purchased several items from that seller without problem. He

Re: [time-nuts] Purchasing a Trimble GPS timing solution

2009-07-13 Thread bg
Hi David, (I did not check the exact offer of your CN supplier) How do you intend to mount the antenna? How long a cable must you run from the Tbolt to the antenna? Will a small magnetic mount antenna puck with a 3-5 meter thin koax attached mount ok and give a clear view of the sky? If yes,

Re: [time-nuts] surplus carrier phase measurement-capable receivers (was Thunderbolt firmware differences)

2009-07-13 Thread Lux, James P
On 7/13/09 1:59 AM, b...@lysator.liu.se b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: What typically-available surplus receivers do carrier phase measurements[1]? I'm close to putting up a choke ring antenna I scored off of the surplus market on the roof -- I don't think the wife is going to let me

Re: [time-nuts] EZGPIB delay triggers

2009-07-13 Thread Bill Janssen
Ulrich Bangert wrote: Bill, there are two sleep commands: 1) Procedure EZGPIB_TimeSleep(HowLong:Double) 2) Procedure EZGPIB_TimeWaitForMultipleOf(Seconds:LongWord) where Howlong is in seconds and starts immediately after call. The second one is for you if you want to keep something

Re: [time-nuts] EZGPIB delay triggers

2009-07-13 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Bill, I am using the 5370 for time interval measurements to compare zero crossings from the two oscillators. I want to see what the stability is over twenty four hours. I have currently not the time to fully explain, but the measurements you are planning involve much more than just to

[time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization and adding a 10811 OCXO

2009-07-13 Thread Arnold Tibus
Hallo all the Time Nuts experts, I need some help to find the understanding for a optimized setup with Trimble's Thunderbolts with original and other OCXOs like HP's 10811. At the first glance the output of the TB does look quite good if I trust the values given by LH adev etc. But how good

Re: [time-nuts] EZGPIB delay triggers

2009-07-13 Thread John Miles
Hi, Bill -- I am trying to use EZGPIB with a HP 5370A and I want to trigger a reading on a 10 to 30 second interval. I want the use EZGPIB to do long term comparisons of various oscillators, I am not interested (at this time) on jitter less than tau 1 seconds or so I

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization and adding a10811 OCXO

2009-07-13 Thread Tom Van Baak
Astonishing for me, I found that the 10811 does behave better in undisciplined mode for a limited time: This is to be expected. An undisciplined high-quality OCXO like a 10811 will be hundreds or thousands of times better than the raw output of a GPS receiver at short averaging times. This is

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization and adding a10811 OCXO

2009-07-13 Thread Don @ True-Cal
Arnold, I have the same question as well as observations as yours. I have been working with both the TBolt and Fury connected to two different 10811s. With either the TBolt or Fury, I can't get the TC large enough to only provide a nudge to the EFC every few minutes. Both receivers get real

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization and adding a10811 OCXO

2009-07-13 Thread Tom Van Baak
yes that is what I thought, but if I do observe correct, TB's OCXO does not run at all free for minutes. With a time constant of 360s the EFC and thePPS is surfing up and down, why, I do not see the need to shift this OCXO within 2 minutes 80ppbs up and pps15ns as well - with this stable

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization and addinga10811 OCXO

2009-07-13 Thread John Miles
What are you using for the Kvco constant with your 10811-based Thunderbolt? If you don't back it down to -0.2 V/Hz, the loop's damping factor will be very wrong, which might confuse the firmware. Check the Kvco, and also do a factory reset after changing the OCXO to make sure it forgets anything

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization and addinga10811 OCXO

2009-07-13 Thread Don @ True-Cal
John, Yes, I have changed the gain to exactly your suggested -0.2 V/Hz and I have experimented with the damping from .5 to 3 and I'm currently using 1.00. Things certainly change with various damping and TC settings but not nearly as slow and subtel as I would like to see for an oscillator

[time-nuts] Accurate Thunderbolt position

2009-07-13 Thread Mark Sims
While playing with getting the Thunderbolt to supply a more accurate/reliable position, I came up with a way to filter the lat/lon/alt data in such a way that you can get a pretty darned accurate location (a quick test shows sub 1 foot accuracy should be doable). The only problem is there

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization andaddinga10811 OCXO

2009-07-13 Thread Tom Van Baak
Don, When you say you see about 3 nSec standard deviation, where is this number coming from? As reported by a program like GPScon or LH, or an actual measurement of the 1pps or 10 MHz output against a lab standard? /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Accurate Thunderbolt position

2009-07-13 Thread Tom Van Baak
The only way that I can think up that might work is to calculate the high accuracy position, put the unit into 3D fix mode, wait until it randomly comes up with a fix that is very close to the desired value (which may never happen), then put the unit into position hold mode... craptastic...

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization andaddinga10811 OCXO

2009-07-13 Thread Don @ True-Cal
Tom, The most direct and quickest way I observe this is from GPScon (also use LH). I also constantly monitor one or the other GPSDO setups with an SR620 (zero crossing technique) with an LPRO-101 as the reference. I use an Tektronix monitor  display on the SR620 so I can watch deviation from

[time-nuts] Accurate Thunderbolt position

2009-07-13 Thread Mark Sims
I spent several hours trying to find out why I started getting longitude number that were way off. Everything seemed to be working properly, but the tbolt was reporting longitude numbers way off from the surveyed position. I thought that my attempts to feed it an accurate lunch had gotten

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization and adding a10811 OCXO

2009-07-13 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Don, to disable the Fury (or FireFly) GPS receiver from disciplining the unit, send the command: sync:sour:mode ext That will switch the unit to external 1PPS input, and thus make it go into holdover if there is nothing connected to the external 1PPS input. Bye, Said In a

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization and addinga10811 OCXO

2009-07-13 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Don, to disable the Fury (or FireFly) GPS receiver from disciplining the unit, send the command: sync:sour:mode ext That will switch the unit to external 1PPS input, and thus make it go into holdover if there is nothing connected to the external 1PPS input. Bye, Said Two

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 crystal orientation

2009-07-13 Thread Jim Hall
Based on my experience with the HP 8660C (detailed below) I suspect fan noise could have an effect on HP 5370 performance. I was project manager for the HP8660C synthesizer. During the project we discovered the fan in the 8660C was adding significant close-in noise sidebands to the

[time-nuts] Source for Trimble Acutime 2000 Connectors?

2009-07-13 Thread Skip Withrow
Hello Time-nuts, I'm looking for the connector to mate with a Trimble Acutime 2000. The connector part number is Deutch MMP 26C-2212S1, pins are 6862-201-22278, and back shell is 6810-204-2001. I've tried the usual - Mouser, Digi-Key, and Newark. Who is their distributor in the US? I