Re: [time-nuts] Low cost alternate to Dual Mixer/DMTD

2009-10-03 Thread WarrenS
Bruce > Drive the mixer LO and RF ports in quadrature using the same low noise source. > Low pass filter the IF output and amplify with a low noise high gain > amplifier. > Look at the amplifier output with a spectrum analyser (e.g. sound card > based spectrum analyser). > Calibrate spectrum anal

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost alternate to Dual Mixer/DMTD

2009-10-03 Thread Bruce Griffiths
WarrenS wrote: >>> If they are off you don't need this kind of performance. >>> >> Not true, if the offset is accurately known then a stable oscillator >> that has a frequency offset > 1E-9 is just as useful for calibration >> purposes as one that has an offset of 1E-11 or less. >> >

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost alternate to Dual Mixer/DMTD

2009-10-03 Thread WarrenS
John Thanks, helpful and constructive points, I'll try and comment on them all. > Ordinarily two oscillators won't track that well in > response to shared environmental conditions alone. And I'm well aware of that. I started by measuring their interactions, each both on their own independent

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost alternate to Dual Mixer/DMTD

2009-10-03 Thread WarrenS
" ws", ">Bruce", ">>ws" ">>>Bruce" "ws" ">Bruce" >> If they are off you don't need this kind of performance. > Not true, if the offset is accurately known then a stable oscillator > that has a frequency offset > 1E-9 is just as useful for calibration > purposes as one that has an of

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost alternate to Dual Mixer/DMTD

2009-10-03 Thread Bruce Griffiths
WarrenS wrote: > ws reply to ">" Bruce's comments > > >>> That calibration is linear over > than a 1 Hz (1e-7) offset range. >>> >> Whilst that may be true for your OCXO, this is certainly >> not true for every ocxo one may wish to measure. >> > It is not the measured OSC that need

Re: [time-nuts] GPS from a window seat

2009-10-03 Thread Thomas A. Frank
saying angrily "using a GPS on a plane is illegal". Nonsense...unless their own rules prohibit such use, in which case you are legally obliged to comply. There is no blanket (ie: government) rule against them. It is up to the airline; in the past year I've flown a number of different