[time-nuts] Lady Heather's Fat Client

2009-12-07 Thread John Miles
Looking for a few Lady Heather users to stress-test the new TSIP-to-IP gateway in the upcoming 3.00 release. If you install this beta of the Windows version: http://www.ke5fx.com/heather/beta.exe (1 MB) ... you'll see an icon called "KE5FX Thunderbolt." This will launch Heather with the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Ed Palmer
Bruce Griffiths wrote: Ed Given that the divider load current, if one substitutes a 5V CMOS flipflop for the 7474, only increases to about 5mA pp, using a 74HC74 is probably prudent given the PCB layout used, in that it may avoid EMI issues that may be a problem with faster logic. However it

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Ed Given that the divider load current, if one substitutes a 5V CMOS flipflop for the 7474, only increases to about 5mA pp, using a 74HC74 is probably prudent given the PCB layout used, in that it may avoid EMI issues that may be a problem with faster logic. However it may then be prudent to

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Since the T13-1 has a centre tapped secondary there are 2 useful amplifier configurations that can be used. One has a nominal gain of about 5dB whereas the other has a gain of around -1dB (can still be useful since the amplifier input impedance at 10Mhz is about 1k when the 51 ohm input shunt re

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
I'll extend the webpage (in the next few days) to include more variations of the circuit as well as the associated LTSpice schematic files. However at some stage a breadboard is necessary to validate the simulations, in particular the effect of transformer parasitics. I have done some simulations

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Ed Palmer
I was wondering about that transformer. Thanks for the cross-reference. Ed John Miles wrote: Ed If it helps I can send you some LTSpice schematics so that you can simulate the circuit for yourself. The breadboards behave as predicted by the simulations at 10MHz. John Miles has done some prel

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Ed Palmer
The schematic is available here: http://www.murgatroid.com/t_and_m/hp-00105-6100-figs.pdf . It's also available with circuit description & waveforms here: http://www.kennethkuhn.com/hpmuseum/scans/hp5065a_part3.pdf on pages 93-101 (pdf pages - not document pages). However, this copy doesn't

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Ed Palmer
That would help. Perhaps they should be added to the web page. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who would be interested. Ed Bruce Griffiths wrote: Ed If it helps I can send you some LTSpice schematics so that you can simulate the circuit for yourself. The breadboards behave as predicted

[time-nuts] Interesting links on Open Source GPS Software

2009-12-07 Thread Al N0tvj
Just read an Interesting article in the IEEE Circuits and Systems Magazine for this Quarter (Vol9 Num 4) Shows an Implementation of A complete GPS Receiver using Simulink. It also has a number of web links to Open Source GPS software which might be of Interest to this group. One is http://home

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread John Miles
> Ed > > If it helps I can send you some LTSpice schematics so that you can > simulate the circuit for yourself. > The breadboards behave as predicted by the simulations at 10MHz. > > John Miles has done some preliminary phase noise measurements on his > version. > > The transformers are wound on

Re: [time-nuts] Chooses for a desktop/server NTP external 1PPS reference

2009-12-07 Thread Hal Murray
pisym...@gmail.com said: > What are my options in this realm? Surprisingly enough, Googling for > over an hour didn't yield much results. There are tons of companies > that offer various solutions but with little pricing information. I'd > be happy to hear some suggestions OTHER THAN the Garmin

Re: [time-nuts] Chooses for a desktop/server NTP external 1PPS reference

2009-12-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Scott Mace wrote: On 12/07/2009 04:13 PM, Alexander Sack wrote: Hi Everybody: First post, be gentle. I did some mail-list archive searching and it seems that a lot of folks have used the Garmin 18x LVC as their 1PPS sync for the desktop with varied success (5V via USB port and RS-232 for 1P

Re: [time-nuts] Chooses for a desktop/server NTP external 1PPS reference

2009-12-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Alexander Sack wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: Alexander Sack wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: Alexander Sack wrote: Hi Everybody: First post, be gentle. I did some mail-list archive searching and

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
If you send me the schematic for the circuit in which its used I can answer that question better. Bruce Ed Palmer wrote: Perhaps, but given what it's replacing and what it's driving, is the difference significant? Ed Bruce Griffiths wrote: Ed Palmer wrote: Yes, I have the same configuratio

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Ed If it helps I can send you some LTSpice schematics so that you can simulate the circuit for yourself. The breadboards behave as predicted by the simulations at 10MHz. John Miles has done some preliminary phase noise measurements on his version. The transformers are wound on binocular fer

Re: [time-nuts] Chooses for a desktop/server NTP external 1PPS reference

2009-12-07 Thread Scott Mace
On 12/07/2009 04:13 PM, Alexander Sack wrote: Hi Everybody: First post, be gentle. I did some mail-list archive searching and it seems that a lot of folks have used the Garmin 18x LVC as their 1PPS sync for the desktop with varied success (5V via USB port and RS-232 for 1PPS?). At work, I have

Re: [time-nuts] Chooses for a desktop/server NTP external 1PPS reference

2009-12-07 Thread Alexander Sack
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > Alexander Sack wrote: >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Bruce Griffiths >>  wrote: >> >>> >>> Alexander Sack wrote: >>> Hi Everybody: First post, be gentle.  I did some mail-list archive searching and it seems >

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Ed Palmer
Perhaps, but given what it's replacing and what it's driving, is the difference significant? Ed Bruce Griffiths wrote: Ed Palmer wrote: Yes, I have the same configuration. The part number for the divider board is 05061-6165. The 10811 + daughter boards are used in the 105B, 5061B Cesium, a

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Ed Palmer
Thanks Bruce. This is the kind of info I was looking for. I'll have to study your schematics. The purpose of much of it isn't immediately obvious. :-) Ed Bruce Griffiths wrote: Ed Palmer wrote: I have a late-model 105B Oscillator that's equipped with a 10811-60109 oscillator. It seems a

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Ed Palmer wrote: Yes, I have the same configuration. The part number for the divider board is 05061-6165. The 10811 + daughter boards are used in the 105B, 5061B Cesium, and the 5065A Rubidium. The circuit loading problem is exactly the kind of issue I was expecting. Thanks for the warning

Re: [time-nuts] Chooses for a desktop/server NTP external 1PPS reference

2009-12-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Alexander Sack wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: Alexander Sack wrote: Hi Everybody: First post, be gentle. I did some mail-list archive searching and it seems that a lot of folks have used the Garmin 18x LVC as their 1PPS sync for the desktop with vari

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Ed Palmer
Yes, there's lots of possibilities if I go external. But I'd rather go back to the 10 MHz source rather than multiply back up to get to 10 MHz. Thanks for the suggestion, Ed J. L. Trantham, M. D. wrote: The 5087 distribution amplifier designed to go with the 105B has an option for a 5 to 10 M

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Ed Palmer
Yes, I have the same configuration. The part number for the divider board is 05061-6165. The 10811 + daughter boards are used in the 105B, 5061B Cesium, and the 5065A Rubidium. The circuit loading problem is exactly the kind of issue I was expecting. Thanks for the warning. I could probabl

Re: [time-nuts] Chooses for a desktop/server NTP external 1PPS reference

2009-12-07 Thread Alexander Sack
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > Alexander Sack wrote: >> >> Hi Everybody: >> >> First post, be gentle.  I did some mail-list archive searching and it >> seems >> that a lot of folks have used the Garmin 18x LVC as their 1PPS sync for >> the >> desktop with varied success (

Re: [time-nuts] Chooses for a desktop/server NTP external 1PPS reference

2009-12-07 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
> > (btw is there such a thing as a desktop rubidium atomic clock with 1 PPS?) Stanford Research prs10 (List $1495) is a building block FS725 is a fancier version in a box with power supply, 1pps in and out, 5 and 10 MHz etc, RS232 interface, etc. List about $2500. http://www.thinksrs.com/pr

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread v. Bonhorst
Depending on what you want to do and which performane is to be achieved, the first thing I woulsd do is to look at the 5061B manual. Best regards, Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von Bruce Griffiths Gesendet: M

Re: [time-nuts] Chooses for a desktop/server NTP external 1PPS reference

2009-12-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Alexander Sack wrote: Hi Everybody: First post, be gentle. I did some mail-list archive searching and it seems that a lot of folks have used the Garmin 18x LVC as their 1PPS sync for the desktop with varied success (5V via USB port and RS-232 for 1PPS?). At work, I have experience with an Endr

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Corby Dawson wrote: Ed, The easiest way is to couple out the 10Mhz from the two pins on the connector holding the 10811 into a Fet input buffer amplifier that can drive 50 ohms. There are lots of FET buffer schematics floating around. Try the radio amateurs handbook or google it. Good Luck!

[time-nuts] Chooses for a desktop/server NTP external 1PPS reference

2009-12-07 Thread Alexander Sack
Hi Everybody: First post, be gentle. I did some mail-list archive searching and it seems that a lot of folks have used the Garmin 18x LVC as their 1PPS sync for the desktop with varied success (5V via USB port and RS-232 for 1PPS?). At work, I have experience with an Endrun Cf/Ct receiver connec

[time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Corby Dawson
Ed, The easiest way is to couple out the 10Mhz from the two pins on the connector holding the 10811 into a Fet input buffer amplifier that can drive 50 ohms. There are lots of FET buffer schematics floating around. Try the radio amateurs handbook or google it. Good Luck! Corby Dawson _

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I did something similar to my HP 5065A Rb standard, which had a 10811A and a small plug-in card that was a digital IC doing a divide by two followed by a simple LC filter. I picked off the signal right at the chip input with a small cap and a piece of RG-174 that went to a buffer amplifier (I

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Disk Drive recovery.

2009-12-07 Thread d . seiter
Boy, does that bring back memories!  I have had a bunch of SCSI drives with this problem.  One drive in particular was so bad that I had to use a plier to free the spindle (about 1/4" was exposed for a grounding tab).  I couldn't afford a replacement at the time, so I kept hoping it would keep

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Ed Palmer wrote: I have a late-model 105B Oscillator that's equipped with a 10811-60109 oscillator. It seems a shame to have that nice 10 MHz source without having access to it. I was thinking of adding a buffer amp and bringing out the 10 MHz signal. It shouldn't be too hard, but before I

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Ed Palmer
I was thinking more along the lines of an analog buffer, but you make a good point. And if I want a sine wave output, I could use a simple pi filter to clean it up. I have an HP 8647A RF generator that does exactly that on the 10 MHz reference output. Thanks! Ed john.fo...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread J. L. Trantham, M. D.
The 5087 distribution amplifier designed to go with the 105B has an option for a 5 to 10 MHz doubler card. You might look at doing something external. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Ed Palmer Sent: Monday, December

Re: [time-nuts] Help identifying coax connector type

2009-12-07 Thread Robert Atkinson
That makes sense. I have seen then inside some HP datacomms test gear. This is of course the first through forth photos. The others are inserts for multiway connectors. Very hard to tell which. Some manufacturers use the same coax insert across different shells e.g. "D" type and DIN41612. Some u

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread john . foege
Ed, I have seen a hex schmitt trigger inverter used for this. The output of the OXCO goes into all 6 schmitt rigger inverter inputs and then on the output side you have the output leg of each inverter connected through 300 ohm resistance. Thusly you get 6 hex schmitt trigger inverters wired in

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread paul swed
I have not but agree its not very hard to do. Just depends on the quality of the buffer amp you want to use and the addition of a connector or two. On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Ed Palmer wrote: > I have a late-model 105B Oscillator that's equipped with a 10811-60109 > oscillator. It seems a

[time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread Ed Palmer
I have a late-model 105B Oscillator that's equipped with a 10811-60109 oscillator. It seems a shame to have that nice 10 MHz source without having access to it. I was thinking of adding a buffer amp and bringing out the 10 MHz signal. It shouldn't be too hard, but before I reinvent the wheel

Re: [time-nuts] Help identifying coax connector type

2009-12-07 Thread J. Forster
> I have recently acquired a number of nice coax parts, but I'm not sure exactly what connector types they are. If anybody can help me identify them, I'd appreciate it! > > First, are these spiffy jacks. They look somewhat like SMB, but are too large as far as I know. Too small for BNC, and there's

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Disk Drive recovery.

2009-12-07 Thread Markus Kern
I haven't been following the recent disk drive thread but the mention of grc.com on this list makes me cringe. Steve Gibson is the kind of guy who has just enough knowledge about any given subject to be dangerous. See for example [1] and specifically [2] in this case. I have never used Spinrite b

Re: [time-nuts] Help identifying coax connector type

2009-12-07 Thread ALAN MELIA
Hi Peter I would confirm Robert's suggestion. To drag this onto topic :-)) I have here some pcbs from an HP 3701 circa 1972 . The cat says it was a radar transmission test set amd the pcbs are IF amps around 300 to 400MHz which have these connectors fitted to the boardsso hide them away safe

Re: [time-nuts] Help identifying coax connector type

2009-12-07 Thread Luis Cupido
Hi Glen, Looks indeed like an SMP but I believe it is a siemens 1.0/2.3 used on the DIN41612 backplanes (note the retention spring in the back to allow them to lock inside the 41612/M connectors shell). Luis Cupido. ct1dmk. p.s. don't know if 1.0/2.3 connectors will mate with SMP or not. Glen

Re: [time-nuts] Help identifying coax connector type

2009-12-07 Thread Glenn Little WB4UIV
The larger push on connector is an SMP. This is used a lot in microwave for IF cables. This is a 75 Ohm connector. 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 03:38 AM 12/7/2009, you wrote: I have recently acquired a number of nice coax parts, but I'm not sure exactly what connector types they are. If anybody can help

Re: [time-nuts] Help identifying coax connector type

2009-12-07 Thread Luis Cupido
Hi Robert, ... 43 or BT43 (BT=British Telecom) is a private reference only for British. hi ;-) It is 1.6/5.6 for the rest of us. (patent is siemens afaik) Luis Cupido. ct1dmk. Robert Atkinson wrote: Hi Peter, They are Type 43 or BT43 connectors. 75R used in telecomms digital equipment in Eu

Re: [time-nuts] Help identifying coax connector type

2009-12-07 Thread Stan, W1LE
Good Morning Pete, The last one looks to be a single contact of a multipin connector, custom of course. The locking prongs on the outside are the direct indicator that it fits permanently into something. The others are odd ball to me and my collection. But, the manufacturer is stamped on the

Re: [time-nuts] Help identifying coax connector type

2009-12-07 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Peter, They are Type 43 or BT43 connectors. 75R used in telecomms digital equipment in Europe.   Robert G8RPI. --- On Mon, 7/12/09, Peter Loron wrote: From: Peter Loron Subject: [time-nuts] Help identifying coax connector type To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Dat

[time-nuts] Sigem SGM5610 GPS module, manual available

2009-12-07 Thread GandalfG8
Hi All Following a request on the Manual Exchange group I've uploaded the manual for the Sigem SGM5610 GPS module to Rapidshare so just thought I would also mention it here in case anyone else would like a copy. After a boom start Sigem went into receivership but was reborn as Mobile Kn

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Disk Drive recovery.

2009-12-07 Thread Mike Naruta AA8K
I bought a copy of Spinrite and it recovered a drive that wouldn't boot. When rebuilding my PCs, I run Spinrite on the drives to make sure a drive is not failing. I've used it to decide when to retire my HDs. It's been months since I've used it, I should probably do a preemptive run, but on lar

[time-nuts] OT: Disk Drive recovery.

2009-12-07 Thread Dave Baxter
For many "failed" hard drives, it's not a "hardware" failure at all, but a very corrupted data surface, rendering even the drives own error recovery useless, so the OS won't boot, or comes up in "an altered state" or similar woe. If the drive spin's up, and you can see it OK in the list of devices

Re: [time-nuts] Help identifying coax connector type

2009-12-07 Thread bg
Hi Pete, > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24004...@n03/4165122541/ This looks a bit like a coax for the hybrid d-sub connectors. (As used for RF in the connector for FRS-C/PRS10-rubidiums. And ofcause old Sun SS-video connector.) http://www.amphenol-online.com/NavData/Catalogs/TW%20Hybrid%20Dsu

Re: [time-nuts] Help identifying coax connector type

2009-12-07 Thread Dave Brown
The 'spiffy jacks' are standard european 1.6/5.6 coax connectors- 75 ohm -They used to be widely used on 2MB/s etc test equipment and distribution frames. Still fairly common in some parts of the telecommunications world. Used to be a threaded version as well as the push-on version in your pict

[time-nuts] Help identifying coax connector type

2009-12-07 Thread Peter Loron
I have recently acquired a number of nice coax parts, but I'm not sure exactly what connector types they are. If anybody can help me identify them, I'd appreciate it! First, are these spiffy jacks. They look somewhat like SMB, but are too large as far as I know. Too small for BNC, and there's n