Re: [time-nuts] any WWV audio recordings available?

2010-02-09 Thread Dean Weiten
Hi there, Some time ago, I "hot rodded" the "tg" program that comes with the open source "ntp" package and cleaned it up, making options for different output formats, including IEEE 1344 extensions on the IRIG, and cleaned up the WWV output for DST shifts, quality coding, etc. When you posted you

Re: [time-nuts] any WWV audio recordings available?

2010-02-09 Thread Eric Williams
First thing, clean the tin-plated board edge connectors and the corresponding connectors on the motherboard. I always had to do that every year or two to keep mine working. Squirt some cleaner on the spring contacts and work the board up and down. -- eric On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Don Lat

Re: [time-nuts] any WWV audio recordings available?

2010-02-09 Thread Don Latham
I was told that there were a couple of adjustment pots that went bad; I cannot remember which ones but they are in the feed from the receiver to the digital control if that makes sense. I sold the one I had a year or so ago. Don - Original Message - From: "Majdi S. Abbas" To: "Discuss

Re: [time-nuts] any WWV audio recordings available?

2010-02-09 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 07:33:07PM -0800, Scott Burris wrote: > Does anyone know if there are any > 5min recordings of WWV audio available? > I'm trying to track down some problems with my Heathkit GC-1000 clock and > it sure would be nice if I could inject some known good audio > recording and see

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread John Miles
> You're right, it's for a USRP. I just got annoyed with the > constant frequency offset, so I'm rolling my own. Turns out there > isn't much available for good off-the-shelf 64MHz VCXOs. The > USRP2 has built-in support for 10MHz sync, but not having one, > I'm left to what I do have. Can't injec

Re: [time-nuts] 5065A Problem

2010-02-09 Thread John Miles
Suggestions: 1) Was it working before? If not you may need to follow the cell-flooding correction procedure in the manual. Corby Dawson made an informative post about that phenomenon a couple of years ago, if you can find it in the archives. 2) If it was working but failed, check the +20V suppl

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB-Style Signal Transmitter in Circuit Cellar

2010-02-09 Thread lstoskopf
Feb 2010Circuit Cellar (now purchased by Elektor Magazine) has an article by Ed Nisley on building a Totally Featureless Clock. Part 1 describes building a WWVB Simulator. Guess I should build one to take to Dayton and leave as a beacon? N0UU ___ t

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Nick Foster
You're right, it's for a USRP. I just got annoyed with the constant frequency offset, so I'm rolling my own. Turns out there isn't much available for good off-the-shelf 64MHz VCXOs. The USRP2 has built-in support for 10MHz sync, but not having one, I'm left to what I do have. Can't injection lo

[time-nuts] 5065A Problem

2010-02-09 Thread J. L. Trantham
I have a 5065A that shows no PHOTO I or 2nd Harmonic. I am suspicious that the Rubidium tube is the problem. There is voltage to the tube and I measure no current from the tube directly. All other indications seem normal. Does anyone have any experience trying to rejuvenate the Rubidium tube fr

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Don Latham
Hi Bob and all: This is interesting, because I suspect this frequency source is for an Ettus Research USRP. A little further downtimeline I will be faced with this problem as well. The SDR is designed already and requires a 64 MHz clock, especially as this clock is used for the microwave transmit a

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt self survey

2010-02-09 Thread Stan, W1LE
Hello Raj, using the trimble T'boltMON software: Start with a "factory reset" in the control menu follow previous guidance of enabling the "save position" capability, Then to restart a survey go to the control menu (on left), select "restart self survey" In lady Heather V3.0 beta of 21 Jan

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt self survey

2010-02-09 Thread Raj
Thanks Stan, I did that but I can't where to "start the survey" in TBolt. In lady heather there is a key for it. At 09-02-10, you wrote: >Hello Raj, > >that location is probably where the coordinates were last saved. or there >abouts >Or those are the default factory settings from memory, >

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt self survey

2010-02-09 Thread Raj
Thanks Bob, I live in south India 13N 77E approx, self survey says 47N 172E .. this is way off! At 09-02-10, you wrote: >Hi > >GPS altitude is a bit different than map altitude. There is a recent thread >if you want all the details of why. Once you do the self survey, just accept >what ever it c

[time-nuts] any WWV audio recordings available?

2010-02-09 Thread Scott Burris
Does anyone know if there are any > 5min recordings of WWV audio available? I'm trying to track down some problems with my Heathkit GC-1000 clock and it sure would be nice if I could inject some known good audio recording and see if the clock picks up the time from that. I've found a couple rec

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi With most SDR's a spur on the clock creates a spur in the radio. No matter how you do your multiply, you will wind up with some sub-harmonics running around. Much better / easier / quicker to start at 64 or 65 MHz. Bob On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:32 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > Thats not very us

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Thats not very useful when you want the 4th harmonic as its amplitude is zero fro a 25% duty cycle. Using a duty cycle of 1/8, 3/8 or 5/8 will maximise the amplitude of the 4th harmonic. see: http://www.wenzel.com/pdffiles1/pdfs/choose.pdf Bruce Max Robinson wrote: If you start with a square

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Bruce Griffiths
A full wave rectified sinewave has only even harmonics present. Bruce Max Robinson wrote: If you start with a square wave odd order is all you can get but if you start with a pulse with a 25% duty cycle you can get even order. It's best to optimize the pulse width for the harmonic you want.

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Max Robinson
If you start with a square wave odd order is all you can get but if you start with a pulse with a 25% duty cycle you can get even order. It's best to optimize the pulse width for the harmonic you want. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwi

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Bruce Griffiths
If you must roll you own 64MHz crystal oscillator you can eliminate the problems associated with parasitic oscillation in the sustaining amplifier by using a low phase noise unconditionally stable MMIC (eg ERA-5SM) as the sustaining stage. A diode limiter in the feedback path that includes the

Re: [time-nuts] 64MHz derived from 10MHz

2010-02-09 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Murray Greenman wrote: Now I realize I'm known as an injection locking fan, but here's my 2 cents worth: Divide 10MHz by 5 to 2MHz using a Johnson ring counter (74HC4017). Use that to injection lock a 64MHz XO. A low noise solution and no PLLs required. I'd not be surprised if you could injecti

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread John Miles
IMHO it'd be best not to roll your own crystal oscillator unless you have the equipment to measure its noise and other performance parameters, and the time/skills/interest to optimize it. That's a tunnel in the rabbit hole that will just take you away from the one you're headed down now. For a on

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Nick Foster wrote: From: b...@iaxs.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:24:39 -0600 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO Which leads me to ask a novice question: Why not pull a 16 MHz crystal and multiply to 64 MHz? If you count down from 64 to 10 MHz, isn't the mult

[time-nuts] Loran C sounds

2010-02-09 Thread Rich and Marcia Putz
Hi all; Just an aside, after hearing dual rated Lorsta Dana for the last 25 years, it is interesting to now hear a single rated chain. Rather than the syncopated clatter of Dana, now just a smooth pitter! The east coast Canadian chain is much weaker here in northern Indiana than Dana (about 125

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Would 65 MHz work as well as 64? It certainly would be easier to come up with. Bob On Feb 9, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Nick Foster wrote: > > Gentlemen, > > Not being an oscillator guru, I thought I'd ask here. I'm building up a > fixed-frequency 64MHz PLL oscillator which uses a 10MHz reference

[time-nuts] 64MHz derived from 10MHz

2010-02-09 Thread Murray Greenman
Now I realize I'm known as an injection locking fan, but here's my 2 cents worth: Divide 10MHz by 5 to 2MHz using a Johnson ring counter (74HC4017). Use that to injection lock a 64MHz XO. A low noise solution and no PLLs required. I'd not be surprised if you could injection lock directly with 10M

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Nick Foster
> From: b...@iaxs.net > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:24:39 -0600 > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO > > Which leads me to ask a novice question: > > Why not pull a 16 MHz crystal and multiply to 64 MHz? > > If you count down from 64 to 10 MHz, isn't the multipli

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi At 64 MHz you can go with a 3rd overtone crystal. If your temperature range is modest, you can pull it further than you would ever need to. You should be able to get good enough phase noise on the VCXO that you can use a pretty narrow loop. That's good news, it lets you use an IC phase dete

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Nick Foster
> Does it need to be phase coherent with your 10MHz reference, or just > frequency locked? Doesn't need to be coherent right now, but I can think of several reasons why having it phase coherent would be helpful in the future. > Also, If you are using it in a software defined radio, you don'

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Nick Foster > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:41 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO > > > Gentlemen, > > Not being an oscillator guru, I tho

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Bill Hawkins
Which leads me to ask a novice question: Why not pull a 16 MHz crystal and multiply to 64 MHz? If you count down from 64 to 10 MHz, isn't the multiplication inside the PLL? Perhaps the noise is multiplied by 4, but would it work for the intended purpose? Bill Hawkins -Original Message---

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Nick Foster > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:41 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO > > > Gentlemen, > > Not being an oscillator guru, I thou

[time-nuts] Low phase noise VCO

2010-02-09 Thread Nick Foster
Gentlemen, Not being an oscillator guru, I thought I'd ask here. I'm building up a fixed-frequency 64MHz PLL oscillator which uses a 10MHz reference. The reference is a homebrew HP 10544A-based GPSDO which seems to work OK. I've built a phase comparator based on a CoolRunner-II CPLD which impl

Re: [time-nuts] HP K04 59991A Frequency multiplier comparator

2010-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Was that an actual product or is it a one off? We had similar stuff at Motorola when I started out. They were old even then. The HP box seems to be one step past where the evolution of the Motorola boxes died out. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather CPU Usage...?

2010-02-09 Thread Stanley Reynolds
found the thread : " [time-nuts] Lady Heather, heavy load for PC? From: Mark Sims  Add to Contacts To: time-nuts@febo.com With the later beta versions you can specify a /TW=# parameter on the command line to force a periodic # milllisecond sleep.  Try values

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather CPU Usage...?

2010-02-09 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Was a thread about this a few months back, but I'm unable to find it. Program was first written for dos and converted to windows this results in polled type behavior vs interrupt / event behavior. A option to increase sleep time exist but it does effect the mouse. Guess you could also lower it's

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather CPU Usage...?

2010-02-09 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Mike wrote: I note that Lady Heather keeps my CPU usage up at around 40%-45% as long as it is running. When I close LH my CPU usage falls to around 1% to 3%. What are other LH users on the List seeing...? Running LH3b on a 299 MHz PII with XP Pro, Control Panels/Administrative Tools/Perform

[time-nuts] HP K04 59991A Frequency multiplier comparator

2010-02-09 Thread Corby Dawson
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Re: [time-nuts] TBolt self survey

2010-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi GPS altitude is a bit different than map altitude. There is a recent thread if you want all the details of why. Once you do the self survey, just accept what ever it comes up with for altitude. If it's off by 100 meters, just accept it and move on. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nu

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt self survey

2010-02-09 Thread Raj
Thanks Stan, Will do in first thing in the morning. At 09-02-10, you wrote: >Hello Raj, > >that location is probably where the coordinates were last saved. or there >abouts >Or those are the default factory settings from memory, >and new coordinates were never saved. > >redo the survey and s

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency comparison

2010-02-09 Thread Joop
??? I double checked the email I sent and it seems part of it did not end up in the time-nuts archive. Perhaps it did pass on in the emails to subscribers. Personally I find the traffic on this list a bit much and disabled the email/digest. Because of my moving around I use some webmail thingy. So

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt self survey

2010-02-09 Thread Stan, W1LE
Hello Raj, that location is probably where the coordinates were last saved. or there abouts Or those are the default factory settings from memory, and new coordinates were never saved. redo the survey and save the results. using T'boltMON V2.60 on a PC: go to menu "set up", then "self s

[time-nuts] TBolt self survey

2010-02-09 Thread Raj
Can someone point me to info that would clarify why my Tbolt's self survey puts my house (AFAIK ~920M ASL, 13N 77.35E) in the Pacific ocean, south of Vancouver and west of Seattle and about 10 meters under water. I am doing something wrong for sure! My sons iPhone gives me righ

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather CPU Usage...?

2010-02-09 Thread Raj
Same with me, high usage on CPU and lower on the other. Average 50%. I cannot resize the window. It either a small unreadable size or full screen. Make it full screen, then do a ctrl-alt-del (bring up the task manager) then it will minimize with low usage !!! Raj At 09-02-10, you wrote: >Fell

[time-nuts] Lady Heather CPU Usage...?

2010-02-09 Thread Michael Baker
Fellow Time-Nutters-- I note that Lady Heather keeps my CPU usage up at around 40%-45% as long as it is running. When I close LH my CPU usage falls to around 1% to 3%. What are other LH users on the List seeing...? Thanks! Mike Baker -- ___

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency comparison

2010-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Efratom became part of Datum a while ago. They changed the marking on the LPRO's after the ownership change. Same product, just a new name on the door. Bob On Feb 9, 2010, at 7:28 AM, Joop wrote: >> It is best to leave your stable quartz and Rubidium oscillators >> running continuously,

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency comparison

2010-02-09 Thread Joop
>It is best to leave your stable quartz and Rubidium oscillators >running continuously, preferably on a UPS in case of power failure, >for best results. > >Best regards, > >Charles > I can understand. But I will not need that high accuracy very often. So I just wanted to examine what can be exp

Re: [time-nuts] True to there word.

2010-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I suppose you could pull down weather data off of the internet. It might be easier than it sounds. My guess is that it's actually more difficult than it sounds Bob On Feb 8, 2010, at 10:44 PM, WarrenS wrote: > > Concerning WWVB from someone that used it way back to check my reference