Re: [time-nuts] oscillator choice question

2010-05-02 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Hal Murray wrote: bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz said: If there is no electronic tuning available one can use a DDS based synthesiser to produce a corrected output frequency. However close in spurs will be problematic unless one use a couple of simple mix and divide stages or resorts to a

[time-nuts] The Science of Timekeeping

2010-05-02 Thread Raj
I found this interesting as a newbie. http://tf.nist.gov/general/glossary.htm Regards -- Raj, VU2ZAP Bangalore, India. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] oscillator choice question

2010-05-02 Thread jimlux
Hal Murray wrote: bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz said: If there is no electronic tuning available one can use a DDS based synthesiser to produce a corrected output frequency. However close in spurs will be problematic unless one use a couple of simple mix and divide stages or resorts to a

Re: [time-nuts] schematics for a HP117a please

2010-05-02 Thread paul swed
Thanks everyone. Indeed the nuvistors will be a challenge. Don't know if between the 2 recvrs I have enough or if they are good or bad... But if need be a bit o redesign may be in order. I am currently using a fair size copper tune loop/preamp on a tracor 599H. So thats a good start. But I will

Re: [time-nuts] schematics for a HP117a please

2010-05-02 Thread J. Forster
Hi Paul, Some tube testers can test Nuvistors. I don't think they go gassey much, but with long use the filament emission drops or the filaments go open. So the condition of yours may depend on how much they were used. They are normally pretty long lived. The HP Loop has some gain and is

Re: [time-nuts] oscillator choice question

2010-05-02 Thread Niels Lueddecke
have to work? And it ain't even finished yet. You see? Don't do it, don't even think about starting. Go buy a trimble thunderbolt, it will save you LOTS of time! http://www.dulli.org/pics/20100502%20-%20Clock.jpg Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 01 May 2010 14:28:04 -0500 Von: ch

Re: [time-nuts] oscillator choice question

2010-05-02 Thread ch...@yipyap.com
of time! http://www.dulli.org/pics/20100502%20-%20Clock.jpg ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] schematics for a HP117a please

2010-05-02 Thread Max Robinson
http://www.tubesandmore.com/ Has the 13CW4s for the loop antenna and 6CW4/6DS4s for the receiver. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com

Re: [time-nuts] oscillator choice question

2010-05-02 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Does anyone use mechanical adjustment with a servo, gear train and microcontroller? Might be useful as a tool to calibrate standards without electronic fine adjustment but would think it would ware out the capacitor if used to make continuous adjustments. Wonder if they make adjustment tools

Re: [time-nuts] oscillator choice question

2010-05-02 Thread Bob Camp
it, don't even think about starting. Go buy a trimble thunderbolt, it will save you LOTS of time! http://www.dulli.org/pics/20100502%20-%20Clock.jpg ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [time-nuts] oscillator choice question

2010-05-02 Thread Bruce Griffiths
even think about starting. Go buy a trimble thunderbolt, it will save you LOTS of time! http://www.dulli.org/pics/20100502%20-%20Clock.jpg ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [time-nuts] schematics for a HP117a please

2010-05-02 Thread J. Forster
Hi Max, Are you sure the main unit uses 6CW4s? It's been 20+ years since I last had my unit apart, but I thought the 60 KHz amp in the main chassis used Nuvistors with either grid or plate caps, something I'd never seen before. I also remember the Nuvistors were numbered something like 7xxx. I

Re: [time-nuts] oscillator choice question

2010-05-02 Thread Bob Camp
Lueddecke wrote: You see? Don't do it, don't even think about starting. Go buy a trimble thunderbolt, it will save you LOTS of time! http://www.dulli.org/pics/20100502%20-%20Clock.jpg ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] oscillator choice question

2010-05-02 Thread ch...@yipyap.com
Bob asks a reasonable question: What kind of accuracy are you trying to obtain? Bob I would like to end up with something that is usable on a home electronics workbench. Something like a Z3801. Something I can use if I ever try to do some goofing around with microwave radio operation.

[time-nuts] 6CW4 Nuvistors on eBay...

2010-05-02 Thread Burt I. Weiner
For what it's worth, I just took a look and found a bunch of 6CW4's on eBay. See:

Re: [time-nuts] oscillator choice question

2010-05-02 Thread Pete Rawson
Jim, More technical stuff @ http://www.sotiriadis.info/ Pete Rawson On May 2, 2010, at 10:27 AM, jimlux wrote: Hal Murray wrote: bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz said: If there is no electronic tuning available one can use a DDS based synthesiser to produce a corrected output frequency. However

Re: [time-nuts] oscillator choice question

2010-05-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Microwave radio suggests low spurs and often low phase noise. That's on top of the stability requirements. In terms of stability a good Z3801 will run rings around a garden variety Thunderbolt. Both are significantly better on phase noise than a garden variety OCXO. You will need a *very*

[time-nuts] How the nut bug bites (was oscillator choice question)

2010-05-02 Thread Michael Sokolov
Niels Lueddecke id...@abwesend.de wrote: Don't do it, it may drag you deep into nut territory... All i wanted was a clock based on a cheap LPro rubidium. Next thing i knew were strange things piling up on my desk. Now theres a custom power supply, 7 AVRs on a couple of boards, an FPGA

Re: [time-nuts] 6CW4 Nuvistors on eBay...

2010-05-02 Thread paul swed
Indeed there are. And even 7587s thats the TRF frontend. In one of the units V3 appears bad all Rs are good voltage high on plate, 0 cathode current. But oddly when I swap v1 into position same effect so somethings odd. Or my methods not correct. The other units working. Had to replace a shorted

Re: [time-nuts] schematics for a HP117a please

2010-05-02 Thread Max Robinson
Well, I didn't get a manual with my receiver and I've never had it apart. I was just assuming that it used standard newvistors. Assuming is always a dangerous thing to do. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum

Re: [time-nuts] schematics for a HP117a please

2010-05-02 Thread J. Forster
Hi Max, Take the top cover off. There is a shield box that may have useful info stenciled on top (2 - 4 screws) I have a HC manual, but cannot access it and won't be able to for some time. Best, -John = Well, I didn't get a manual with my receiver and I've never had it

Re: [time-nuts] 6CW4 Nuvistors on eBay...

2010-05-02 Thread J. Forster
And the 7587 even has a plate cap! LoL. There might be RF chokes in the Nuvistor filament line. Worth a look. FWIW, -John === Indeed there are. And even 7587s thats the TRF frontend. In one of the units V3 appears bad all Rs are good voltage high on plate, 0 cathode current.

Re: [time-nuts] 6CW4 Nuvistors on eBay...

2010-05-02 Thread paul swed
Well just one O those days. Heavens knows why but I had 7 nuvistors and I don't have any idea when I picked them up. 6CW4s and a few other types. But lo and behold one 7587. Plugged in getting signal and osc locked. Its definitely not a hot tube but it proved the tube was indeed the issue. Checked

Re: [time-nuts] schematics for a HP117a please

2010-05-02 Thread paul swed
Uses 1 6cw4 at the integration amp and 3 X 7587s for the RF amps. All 4 tubes filaments are series from the +35v which seems a bit high per tube. Buts thats the way its designed On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 5:52 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: Hi Max, Take the top cover off. There is a shield

Re: [time-nuts] schematics for a HP117a please

2010-05-02 Thread J. Forster
OK. I'd forgotten about the integrator. I've not looked at mine since about 1986 when I switched to LORAN. The 117A been switched off since. I've just been going for memory. Enjoy, -John Uses 1 6cw4 at the integration amp and 3 X 7587s for the RF amps. All 4 tubes

Re: [time-nuts] oscillator choice question

2010-05-02 Thread Neville Michie
starting. Go buy a trimble thunderbolt, it will save you LOTS of time! http://www.dulli.org/pics/20100502%20-%20Clock.jpg ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/ listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] oscillator choice question

2010-05-02 Thread Bob Camp
advisers telling me to buy the Thunderbolt. But I already have these pieces so... -- Chris w0ep Niels Lueddecke wrote: You see? Don't do it, don't even think about starting. Go buy a trimble thunderbolt, it will save you LOTS of time! http://www.dulli.org/pics/20100502%20-%20Clock.jpg

[time-nuts] WTB: Dataq DI-154RS modules

2010-05-02 Thread John Miles
Looking for one or more of these (obsolete) DAQ adapters. Anyone got any spares? -- john, KE5FX ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions

[time-nuts] Nuvistors and FETs...

2010-05-02 Thread Burt I. Weiner
For what it may be worth, I've swapped Nuvistors out with FETS. I see from the schematic that the Nuvistors are running on 35 Volts. It would be simple to drop the 35 Volts to 12 or 8 Volts with a 3 terminal regulator in the receiver. If desperation sets in, try stuffing N-Channel FETs in

Re: [time-nuts] Nuvistors and FETs...

2010-05-02 Thread J. Forster
Interesting idea. In fact, the later versions of the loop used FETs in place of Nuvistors. I've not compared the circuits. Because the thing is only 60 KHz, the change in grid/gate capacitance may not matter much. There may be some mounting and stability issues though because the plate caps were

Re: [time-nuts] Nuvistors and FETs...

2010-05-02 Thread Don Latham
You can also look up the gm of the nuvistors and get a reasonable match to a fet as well. Don - Original Message - From: J. Forster j...@quik.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts]