Re: [time-nuts] 5061A Manual Part Number

2010-06-12 Thread John Miles
Does anyone know the latest 5061A Manual part number and latest print date? I haven't seen anything after the 1978 edition that Had mentioned. If you have a newer model 5061A (e.g. with the 10811 upgrade) you might look for a 5061B manual as well. I have a 5061A that appears to be working

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt test results

2010-06-12 Thread Peter Vince
Have you played with the damping factor Brian? Peter ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] UTC and leap seconds

2010-06-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/12/2010 02:33 AM, Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: The Chilean earthquake changed the angular rotation rate (or, probably more accurately, changed the direction of the axis of rotation as well) of the earth a small amount, as do most large earthquakes. Has anybody measured

Re: [time-nuts] 5061A Manual Part Number and Problem Child

2010-06-12 Thread J. L. Trantham
John, I have a copy of the 5061A manual designed for Serial Prefix 2506A, part number 05061-9068 printed April 1985. My problem child is serial number 2428A. Fortunately, the manual includes 56 pages of manual change information, all the way back to serial prefix 1740A, and appears to cover it

Re: [time-nuts] UTC and leap seconds

2010-06-12 Thread Jim Palfreyman
Don't forget pulsars in this. Some of them rival atomic clocks and they are a long way away and still line up nicely with our hydrogen masers synchronized to caesium standards. Jim Palfreyman On Saturday, June 12, 2010, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: At 10:46 AM 6/11/2010, iov...@inwind.it

Re: [time-nuts] UTC and leap seconds

2010-06-12 Thread jimlux
Magnus Danielson wrote: On 06/12/2010 02:33 AM, Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: The Chilean earthquake changed the angular rotation rate (or, probably more accurately, changed the direction of the axis of rotation as well) of the earth a small amount, as do most large

Re: [time-nuts] UTC and leap seconds

2010-06-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/12/2010 03:36 PM, jimlux wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: On 06/12/2010 02:33 AM, Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: The Chilean earthquake changed the angular rotation rate (or, probably more accurately, changed the direction of the axis of rotation as well) of the earth a

Re: [time-nuts] UTC and leap seconds

2010-06-12 Thread jimlux
Magnus Danielson wrote: On 06/12/2010 03:36 PM, jimlux wrote: bunch o' stuff While it would be fun to know, the practical impact of such a change is very, very small, to the level of being ignored. Considering of a major event actually consisting of many hundreds of earth quakes spread over

[time-nuts] Odd FTS 4060 Behavior

2010-06-12 Thread Adrian
I have a FTS 4060 Caesium Frequency Standard that I never managed to get working properly. When powered on, it locks properly after some 10 minutes and keeps running until it jumps off by about +1E-7. That is, the 10 MHz output then reads 10,000,001 Hz, and the red alarm light is on. When I

Re: [time-nuts] Odd FTS 4060 Behavior

2010-06-12 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Adrian  Pure speculation from a shade tree time-nut: As my tube became weaker the unit became heat sensitive and would stay locked if I keep the room cooler. It also did better on battery power vs the internal supply. I attributed this to signal to noise level changing as the the tube aged.

[time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-12 Thread WarrenS
subject: Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method. Here is a new and unique Idea that may be useful for many. Rather than focusing on what some members may or may not already know, or how good or bad one specific working BB configuration is. How about focusing on what the TPLL method can

Re: [time-nuts] UTC and leap seconds

2010-06-12 Thread Hal Murray
[Chile quake] Graph of position (3 meters!): http://ivsopar.obspm.fr/earth/tigo 3 meters in one direction and 60 in another. Just to make sure we are all on the right track, the scale on the graph is cm, so the motion was 300 cm West and 60 cm South. I may have confused things by

Re: [time-nuts] Odd FTS 4060 Behavior

2010-06-12 Thread John Miles
Sounds like the OCXO has a jumping problem, going too far out of range for the CS loop to correct. Have you watched it for a long period of time with the loop turned off? -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf

Re: [time-nuts] UTC and leap seconds

2010-06-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/12/2010 08:33 PM, Hal Murray wrote: [Chile quake] Graph of position (3 meters!): http://ivsopar.obspm.fr/earth/tigo 3 meters in one direction and 60 in another. I meant to write 60 cm naturally. Just to make sure we are all on the right track, the scale on the graph is

Re: [time-nuts] Odd FTS 4060 Behavior

2010-06-12 Thread Adrian
John, it's been a while since I digged deeper into it, but I remember having had problems to adjust the OCXO to tuning voltage range center when the failure mode was there. I was already suspecting an OCXO problem, but haven't yet watched it for a long period of time. Now as you're

Re: [time-nuts] Odd FTS 4060 Behavior

2010-06-12 Thread EWKehren
If it is always stable at 5x500.32 and has the lock light on than it has to be in the PLL. Bert Kehren In a message dated 6/12/2010 4:36:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rfn...@arcor.de writes: John, it's been a while since I digged deeper into it, but I remember having had problems

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-12 Thread Bruce Griffiths
WarrenS wrote: subject: Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method. Here is a new and unique Idea that may be useful for many. Rather than focusing on what some members may or may not already know, or how good or bad one specific working BB configuration is. How about focusing on what the

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/12/2010 11:29 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: WarrenS wrote: subject: Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method. Here is a new and unique Idea that may be useful for many. Rather than focusing on what some members may or may not already know, or how good or bad one specific working BB

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-12 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Magnus Danielson wrote: On 06/12/2010 11:29 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: WarrenS wrote: subject: Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method. Here is a new and unique Idea that may be useful for many. Rather than focusing on what some members may or may not already know, or how good or bad one

[time-nuts] 5061A Problem Child

2010-06-12 Thread Corby Dawson
Joe, Try swapping the A8 module and see what happens. Corby 2547% Penny Stock Picks? Our last pick exploded 2547% - Join our free newsletter today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c1424f55b5b1597a6m04duc

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-12 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Another disadvantage of the Tight PLL system that only applies to multichannel systems is that a dedicated reference oscillator is required for each channel. i.e. for an N channel system N reference oscillators are required. If correlation techniques were to be employed then an N channel system

Re: [time-nuts] Odd FTS 4060 Behavior

2010-06-12 Thread Adrian
Yes, but if I press the align button when in 'failure mode', it just wont lock. And I see the 10 MHz output scanning from 10,000,002.9 at 0 volts to a hair above 10 MHz (10,000,000.08) at 5 volts. When I watch the beam current while it is scanning, I'm observing the beam current going up and

Re: [time-nuts] 5061A Problem Child

2010-06-12 Thread J. L. Trantham
Corby, Thought of that but ran out of time. Will do tomorrow after I try the A14 module. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Corby Dawson Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 7:23 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject:

[time-nuts] Monsanto 1500A

2010-06-12 Thread Dick Moore
While selling nearly all of my stuff, I found several boxes that had been forgotten for a long time. One contained a Monsanto 1500A Counter-timer. It's a cool old box, good-looking fairly well built, 9 digit Nixie display. I'd like to get it running, but a half dozen boards were out of it in a

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-12 Thread WarrenS
Thanks for the positive contrbution, A good example of one of the TPLL's obvious disadvantages. The simple cheap analog version of the TPLL is limited by it's need to have a dedicated Ref OSC. One way I have got around that problem, which would not apply to all, is to put the DUT unit as

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-12 Thread Bruce Griffiths
WarrenS wrote: Thanks for the positive contrbution, A good example of one of the TPLL's obvious disadvantages. The simple cheap analog version of the TPLL is limited by it's need to have a dedicated Ref OSC. One way I have got around that problem, which would not apply to all, is to put