Re: [time-nuts] GPS Timing Source -- looking at buying

2010-07-09 Thread Paul Nicholson
Chris H wrote: Would be good as a timing source for GPS ... make a PC into a Stratum 0 timing device? I think it would count as stratum 1, since you are 1 hop away from a master time source. This page may be of interest, http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/FreeBSD-GPS-PPS.htm Trimble Thunderbolts

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Timing Source -- looking at buying

2010-07-09 Thread Chris H
Yes sorry -- stratum 1 -- brain fart :( On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 06:32 +, Paul Nicholson wrote: Chris H wrote: Would be good as a timing source for GPS ... make a PC into a Stratum 0 timing device? I think it would count as stratum 1, since you are 1 hop away from a master time

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Timing Source -- looking at buying

2010-07-09 Thread Chris H
I might go for the Garmin one to start with, and see how it all works.. and then move up to a more reliable source of timing source in the future... When you say Reliable, what exactly do you all mean--- does it loose time? Does it loose lock to the satellites? because it's only millisecond

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Timing Source -- looking at buying

2010-07-09 Thread Hal Murray
ch...@archnetnz.com said: I found this one: Garmin GPS 18 PC GPS Engine http://www.triginstruments.co.nz/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1301os Csid=b80759ac903096c20d806ddeb3d71121 Which is the 18X and looking at the manual for it, it says it's 1pps with 1 microsecond accuracy. Yup.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Timing Source -- looking at buying

2010-07-09 Thread Chris H
Which is the 18X and looking at the manual for it, it says it's 1pps with 1 microsecond accuracy. Yup. That URL is for the LVC version. The PC version is the one powered from a cigarette lighter. (Your first line above says PC when I assume you mean LVC.) Sorry -- I had book marked

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Timing Source -- looking at buying

2010-07-09 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Chris, You need the LVC to make sure you have the 1PPS available. The PC may have it in the cable but you can't be sure. The 18X is OK for NTP but a timing GPS in position hold is better. The Tbolt is good but has a ovened 10MHz oscillator that you don't need unless you want to keep time

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Timing Source -- looking at buying

2010-07-09 Thread Robert Atkinson
Also see http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/drivers/driver29.html For palisade Tbolt NTP info.   Robert G8RPI. --- On Fri, 9/7/10, Chris H timen...@archnetnz.com wrote: From: Chris H timen...@archnetnz.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS Timing Source -- looking at buying To: Discussion of

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Timing Source -- looking at buying

2010-07-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The Thunderbolt has a GPS and an OCXO inside it. It's built in smarts align a PPS created from the OCXO to the GPS PPS. This allows the PPS to be more stable than a normal GPS PPS (less jitter). It also provides holdover on the PPS if and when GPS sat's are not available. Since your

[time-nuts] Any CW12-TIM users?

2010-07-09 Thread John Green
I seem to remember someone saying they had actually tried one. I am looking to put another repeater on the air and while I have another TBOLT, I like the fact that the CW12-TIM takes a single supply. Of course, I'll have to have 5 volts to power the antenna but I can get the 3 volts for the CW12

Re: [time-nuts] Any CW12-TIM users?

2010-07-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The output from the CW12 is straight off of a DDS so it's pretty dirty (phase noise) compared to a TBolt. Depending on just what your repeater is looking for that may or may not be an issue. The unit should hold +/- 30 Hz at 900 MHz frequency wise. There are multiple firmware versions of

Re: [time-nuts] Any CW12-TIM users?

2010-07-09 Thread Ed Palmer
Hello John, I have a CW-12, but haven't built it into anything yet. Here's some info I posted recently on the 10 MHz output. http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2010-June/048196.html Also, Navsync has an application note that talks about cleaning up the 10 MHz output. Basically,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Timing Source -- looking at buying

2010-07-09 Thread Peter Vince
Hal (and everyone) In television and radio broadcasting we use a time code that is a Manchester-encoded 2000 bps (50 Hz countries) or 2400 bps (60 Hz countries) signal which has been low-pass filtered (~7.5 KHz) so that it can be directly recorded on an analogue audio track. EBU is the

[time-nuts] PICTIC II Parts at Mouser

2010-07-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, I've set up a new project at Mouser for the PICTIC II parts. Assuming the magic works it's at: http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=8736DCEE10 You can also go to their EZ Buy page and enter code 8736DCEE10 to get to the project. There are a few special

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II Parts at Mouser

2010-07-09 Thread Stanley Reynolds
I was thinking of using a 74F175 not as fast uses more power but I have it. Stanley snip 7) The 74AC175 is un-obtanium in a PDIP package the project shows a 74ACT SOIC version, you'll have to kludge it on to the board Logic levels on the clock may impact accuracy (but probably won't). snip

Re: [time-nuts] Parts (Mouser) for the PICTIC II

2010-07-09 Thread Richard H McCorkle
Bob, I included the option to go with a TTL output for users without a serial port that might need to feed TTL into an internal USB converter in their project or to drive a PC port directly with a short cable. Including the extra pads on the board and the TTL invert flag in the code adds no cost.

Re: [time-nuts] Parts (Mouser) for the PICTIC II

2010-07-09 Thread Bob Bownes
q4 and the 3/8 trimmers are in my list. On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Bob Bownes bow...@gmail.com wrote:  I'll get these 2 corrections in tonight. I was wondering if the 3/8 parts would fit. On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi Another thing I think we need to

[time-nuts] Loran-C POSAID2 Software

2010-07-09 Thread asmagal
The Coast Guard Research and Development Center has developed Coast Guard POSAID2 ver 2.1a, a DOS-based program for converting LORAN-C time differences (TDs) to latitude and longitude. As the old link at the USCG site is apparently broken, I wonder if someone in this novel group still has

[time-nuts] Lapsus Calami

2010-07-09 Thread asmagal
Sorry: NOBLE not novel... ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C POSAID2 Software

2010-07-09 Thread J. Forster
A definite maybe. In the late 1970s, Raytheon farmed out their small boat LORAN receivers to a New Hampshire company, Appelco. They made 8085 based LORAN receivers w/ LED readout of time differences. Later, Appelco produced an upgraded version with a daughter board, also with an 8085, that took

[time-nuts] 1194 phone service in Australia 1 second fast?

2010-07-09 Thread Jim Palfreyman
Hi, The 1194 time service in Australia is one second fast. I'm ringing from Hobart - can anyone else in Australia confirm? Jim ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Apelco ...was Loran-C POSAID2 Software

2010-07-09 Thread Alan Melia
Hi John I have a manual dated 1989 for a later version Apelco ( DXL 6300) The manual covers operation nicely, but the data for the Lessay chain is incorrect. I can enter the GRI manually and the receiver locks nicely. I have disassembled the eprom but cannot recognise the data areas to patch the

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C POSAID2 Software

2010-07-09 Thread Stanley Reynolds
dos program here : http://www.loran.org/gptotd.zip info here : http://www.loran.org/Coordinates.htm Stanley - Original Message From: J. Forster j...@quik.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 5:14:59 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] Apelco ...was Loran-C POSAID2 Software

2010-07-09 Thread J. Forster
Hi John I have a manual dated 1989 for a later version Apelco ( DXL 6300) The manual covers operation nicely, but the data for the Lessay chain is incorrect. I can enter the GRI manually and the receiver locks nicely. I have disassembled the eprom but cannot recognise the data areas to patch

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II Parts at Mouser

2010-07-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The 74F175 is in stock at Mouser. I'll let Rich decide if it's good enough. Bob Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com wrote: I was thinking of using a 74F175 not as fast uses more power but I have it. Stanley snip 7) The

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Timing Source -- looking at buying

2010-07-09 Thread Chris H
Yeah the AES / EBU timing is just to sync clocks in house, it's not actually going to be used as a genlock source for equipment.. just slave clock displays... On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 08:38 -0400, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The Thunderbolt has a GPS and an OCXO inside it. It's built in smarts align a

Re: [time-nuts] Parts (Mouser) for the PICTIC II

2010-07-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The RS-232 USB dongles are $4 these days. They are enough cheaper that the TTL ones that the MAX232 and misc parts still don't make them more expensive. Bob Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2010, at 5:28 PM, Richard H McCorkle mccor...@ptialaska.net wrote: Bob, I included the option to go

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 72, Issue 24

2010-07-09 Thread Christopher Hoover
On 7/6/2010 11:13 PM, J.L. wrote: I could not find any cross reference for either of these NPN transistors but the 2NA seemed to do just fine. Thanks for everyone's help. Joe 1854-0003 (subsequently replaced by 1854-0637) crosses to Moto/On Semi SS2199. 1854-0023 cross to 2N2484

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II Parts at Mouser

2010-07-09 Thread Richard H McCorkle
Time-Nuts, When the PICTIC was first developed a number of front-end designs were evaluated with the 74AC175 providing the best characteristics, size, and speed in a DIP format. When the PICTIC was released in 2008 the 74AC175PC was in full production, but by the time the PICTIC II with the diode

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II Parts at Mouser

2010-07-09 Thread Ed Palmer
Richard, For the original circuit board, what about the 74AC175 SOIC soldered to an SOIC to DIP adapter? These adapters are available cheap on the auction site and there should be very little difference between this and the DIP version (the pinouts for both versions are the same). Would this

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II Parts at Mouser

2010-07-09 Thread Joseph Gray
Any chance that someone could purchase a small quantity from Arrow Germany so Stanley could include them with the boards we ordered? Extra payment for the chips, of course. Joe Gray W5JG On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Richard H McCorkle mccor...@ptialaska.net wrote: Time-Nuts, When the

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II Parts at Mouser

2010-07-09 Thread Richard H McCorkle
Ed, This should work just as well as the original without compromizing the maximum clock rate. Richard Richard, For the original circuit board, what about the 74AC175 SOIC soldered to an SOIC to DIP adapter? These adapters are available cheap on the auction site and there should be very

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II Parts at Mouser

2010-07-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi For around $4 or so you can get a CPLD and socket that will replace all of the logic chips. They will run on +5 and go to 100 MHz. My guess is that they would be a bit more repeatable. The downside is it's another part to program. Bob Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:02 PM,

[time-nuts] PICTIC II Parts - SOIC to PDIP Adaptor

2010-07-09 Thread Tom Clifton
Would something like eBay 180460919851 be a suitable adaptor?  The description says that it takes .1 header pins on .3 centers 'ready for socket insertion'. I'm sure that there are other places (Sparkfun) that sell similar adaptors for those that have an aversion to on-line auction sites for

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 72, Issue 38

2010-07-09 Thread Christopher Hoover
On 7/9/2010 7:58 PM, Bob Camp wrote: For around $4 or so you can get a CPLD and socket that will replace all of the logic chips. They will run on +5 and go to 100 MHz. My guess is that they would be a bit more repeatable. The downside is it's another part to program. Yep.I ordered a

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II Parts - SOIC to PDIP Adaptor

2010-07-09 Thread Joseph Gray
http://www.futurlec.com/SMD_Adapters.shtml Joe Gray W5JG On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Tom Clifton kc0...@yahoo.com wrote: Would something like eBay 180460919851 be a suitable adaptor?  The description says that it takes .1 header pins on .3 centers 'ready for socket insertion'. I'm sure

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II Parts - SOIC to PDIP Adaptor

2010-07-09 Thread Joseph Gray
Same ebay seller, different layout. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=18046092rvr_id=crlp=1_263602_263622UA=%3F*%3F%3FGUID=7c4b40741290a0b3f8f587f5ff797212itemid=18046092ff4=263602_263622 Joe Gray W5JG On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Tom Clifton kc0...@yahoo.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II Parts - SOIC to PDIP Adaptor

2010-07-09 Thread Stanley Reynolds
The ebay item will fit the .3 inch spacing of the pcb. Looks like the futurlec is .6 inch spacing like many of the other ebay items. Stanley - Original Message From: Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Fri,

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II Parts - SOIC to PDIP Adaptor

2010-07-09 Thread Stanley Reynolds
From ad : 0.700 accross: Not DIP socket insertable for solderless breadboarding custom pcb only Stanley - Original Message From: Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 10:53:25 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II Parts - SOIC to PDIP Adaptor

2010-07-09 Thread Hal Murray
stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com said: The ebay item will fit the .3 inch spacing of the pcb. Check the pinout. It's turned sideways. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II Parts - SOIC to PDIP Adaptor

2010-07-09 Thread Stanley Reynolds
No, the ebay item 180460919851 looks correct, data sheet for 74ac175 has the same pin out for all packages. Attached a picture pin 1 to pin 1 no crossed pins. Stanley - Original Message From: Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement