Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-08-19 Thread Mark J. Blair
On Aug 19, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hopefully they will keep GPS running long enough for me to find something to > compare it to. My new GPSDO leaves me with the question of "how do I measure the phase noise of what is by far the best oscillator I own... without buying a better one t

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-08-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Oh, you mean like my ever trusty color burst sub-carrier reference Or my Omega receiver Or my Loran C box Hopefully they will keep GPS running long enough for me to find something to compare it to. Bob On Aug 19, 2010, at 9:42 PM, "Didier Juges" wrote: > "I haven't fabricat

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-08-19 Thread Mark J. Blair
On Aug 19, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Didier Juges wrote: > Well, you need another reference that does not use the same principles to > check your first reference against. > > That one worked for me. Ooooh, good one! > Now I am working on the next one, because "a man with two clocks..." "...needs a t

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-08-19 Thread Didier Juges
"I haven't fabricated a good excuse to want my own rubidium standard yet, but I'll keep working on that. :)" Well, you need another reference that does not use the same principles to check your first reference against. That one worked for me. Now I am working on the next one, because "a man wi

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-08-19 Thread Mark J. Blair
On Aug 19, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Yup, the original question was "why a TBolt?" I just joined time-nuts today, so please forgive me if I'm beating a dead horse. For me, the answer to "why a TBolt" was "it automatically calibrates itself against somebody else's well-maintained cesiu

Re: [time-nuts] Different Survey Results

2010-08-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi To get to "auto calibrate" hit a & and then it's the "A" option (Autotune rather than auto calibrate). Sorry for the confusion. Bob -- From: "Bob Camp" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:10 PM To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency m

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-08-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Yup, the original question was "why a TBolt?" Bob -- From: "Stanley Reynolds" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 6:51 PM To: ; "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Subject: Re: [time-nuts] (no subject) My crystal ball indica

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-08-19 Thread Stanley Reynolds
My crystal ball indicates the comparison is used Lpro and used Tbolt, original poster wanted to know why expend $100 for Tbolt when Lpro is cheaper. Stanley From: Dan Rae To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 4

Re: [time-nuts] Different Survey Results

2010-08-19 Thread bg
Hi Peter, Are you sure your known truth coordinates are in WGS84 datum? -- Björn > To John WA4WDL: > > The coordinates out of my current (fixed) position calculated by > the SirF GPS and the tbold during a 48h survey are different. > On a map this differences makes up a shift of up to 100m

[time-nuts] Different Survey Results

2010-08-19 Thread Peter Krengel
To John WA4WDL: The coordinates out of my current (fixed) position calculated by the SirF GPS and the tbold during a 48h survey are different. On a map this differences makes up a shift of up to 100m around my true qth. With other words if I would (and could) use the tbold as a mobile GPS I woul

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-08-19 Thread Dan Rae
Bob Camp wrote: Hi Simple answer - they self calibrate to < 1x10^-13 at a one day time period. Essentially zero long term drift. Bob Have I missed something? A self calibrating cheap Rb unit? a self calibrating 10811? I really must wake up :^) dr -Original Message- From: ti

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-08-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Simple answer - they self calibrate to < 1x10^-13 at a one day time period. Essentially zero long term drift. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark2 Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:49 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Different Survey Results

2010-08-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A few other things to try / consider: 1) Hit the "auto calibrate" function in LH to calibrate the slope of the OCXO, it will also load some damping and time constant stuff that you may want to overwrite. I don't know if this is a "beta only" feature or not. 2) Make sure that the TBolt isn't g

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-08-19 Thread bg
Hi Mark, > Sure they're good but other than it's a really cool and stable oscillator > why is everyone bothering with these when you can get a decent LPRO > Rubidium for the same or less . It at lest ten times more stable than > the HP oven job. I just bought 5 good LPROs on Ebay for about $20

[time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-08-19 Thread Mark2
Sure they're good but other than it's a really cool and stable oscillator why is everyone bothering with these when you can get a decent LPRO Rubidium for the same or less . It at lest ten times more stable than the HP oven job. I just bought 5 good LPROs on Ebay for about $200.00 plus shipp

Re: [time-nuts] Different Survey Results

2010-08-19 Thread WarrenS
Peter asked: 2) Is it necessary to modify Tbolt settings or does tbold work best with factory settings? The answer is, for best performance you need to modify the factory setting. There has been much posted on which ones and how, but bottom line is it all depend on what your setup is and what

Re: [time-nuts] small cache of 74AC175 located

2010-08-19 Thread EMMANOUIL MANTZARAS
Hello I need 6 74act175 chips can you help?? Thanks Emmanouil Mantzaras Athens - Greece -- Original Message -- Received: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:22:24 PM EEST From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" To: "Time nuts" Subject: [time-nuts] small cache of 74AC175 located Purely by chance I just have locate

Re: [time-nuts] Different Survey Results

2010-08-19 Thread jmfranke
What do you mean by "totally different results"? What were the readings or the differences? John WA4WDL -- From: "Peter Krengel" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:28 PM To: Subject: [time-nuts] Different Survey Results Hello, I'm new to th

[time-nuts] Different Survey Results

2010-08-19 Thread Peter Krengel
Hello, I'm new to the list and to the themes at all. I'm running a V3 Thunderbolt using the great Lady Heather Software (thanks for this). Setting up the tbold for the first time I made a 48h survey. To compare the results I also started a SirF III GPS using VisualGPS software and after the 48h

[time-nuts] small cache of 74AC175 located

2010-08-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Purely by chance I just have located a small cache of 74AC175 and 74ACT175 chips in a private collection here in Denmark. For reasons too complicated to get into here, I cannot buy them outright, but I can probably liberate some of them to good homes, in return for good behaviour and donation of

Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update

2010-08-19 Thread Eric Garner
I'd like to put my order in for 3 PICTIC boards, 2 Mixer boards and 2 DDS boards. thanks, Eric On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Stanley Reynolds wrote: > Just boards, 5 times 9.00 = $45 mailed payment  $47.5 Paypal > two pictic, one DDS board, two mixer boards, note the PDF talks about a 3rd >

Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update

2010-08-19 Thread J.D. Bakker
I 'm offering the boards in any combination. Ah, that's good to know. In that case I'd like to order one DDS board and two mixer boards; will supply my own TIC. My address is below. Thanks for making this possible, Jan-Derk Bakker Uilenstede 12 1183AH Amstelveen The Netherlands, Europe Phone

Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update

2010-08-19 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Brice, You are on the list. Will let everyone know when payment is needed, if you are using paypal no need to send payment till I can ship the boards, if by mail then should arrive after September 3. Stanley   From: Heathkid To: Discussion of precise time

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt and iCruse readout problem - any ideas?

2010-08-19 Thread ernieperes
Hi David, did you chked the PIC 3.3 voltage?? because it is the key point if you have garbled msg. Rgds, Ernie. -Original Message- From: Didier Juges To: Time-Nuts Sent: Thu, Aug 19, 2010 2:28 pm Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt and iCruse readout problem - any ideas? 1 in

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt and iCruse readout problem - any ideas?

2010-08-19 Thread Didier Juges
1 in 400 have a problem, so assuming that he had at least one other complaint would seem to imply that he sold as many as 800 units at least? That sounds somewhat high, but if true, good for him :) Didier Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless thingy while I do other things.

Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update

2010-08-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Re PIC programming -- if the volume is sufficient, Digi-Key will program PICs. The set-up fee is enough that you probably want to do at least 50-100 units to amortize the cost, but it's not too bad. That's how we handled the PIC for the TADD-2. John Heathkid wrote: Stanley, I'm not g

Re: [time-nuts] GPS pcb IDs??

2010-08-19 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Didier, the Trimble is a Resolution T (3.3v)user manual at the URL quoted by Stanley (Thanks again Stanley) The Synergy is Motorola UT+ Oncore (5v) and I am sure the manual for those is around somewhere but not had time to chase that yet. Please feel free to add these to your gallery...

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt and iCruse readout problem - any ideas?

2010-08-19 Thread David Bobbett
Further to my messages regarding this problem, I contacted Bob (aka fluke.l) who replied almost immediately, saying that this has happened to around 1 in 400 iCruse units and he is working on a fix. Sort of a relief that there really is a problem and not some strange combination of events.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS pcb IDs??

2010-08-19 Thread Alan Melia
Stanley, Thank you very much for the rapid response I will browse those URLs and see if I can id the pcbs. Didier has advised he has a gallery so we should make good progress. Thanks Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: "Stanley Reynolds" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency m

Re: [time-nuts] GPS pcb IDs??

2010-08-19 Thread Alan Melia
Thanks Didier I will certainly let you know the results Alan - Original Message - From: "Didier Juges" To: "Time-Nuts" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS pcb IDs?? > Alan, > > You may want to compare to those: > http://www.ko4bb.com/Timing/GPS_Pics/

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt and iCruse readout problem - any ideas?

2010-08-19 Thread David Bobbett
Hi Brooke, I know what you are thinking! Sadly the supply is 12.1v so there's plenty of regulator headroom, very interesting page though. I'm beginning to think that Didier's suggestion of corrupted firmware in the iCruse is the most probable explanation. Best wishes, David On 18/08/20