Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B - result

2010-09-15 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
After cooling and restarting the 5370B and observing its behavior, we judged that it was more likely it had an unheated 10811 than an oscillator of lower stability, so we popped the lid (the possibility that it didn't have a 10811/10544 was the reason for leaving it intact so it could be

Re: [time-nuts] HP-5370B Running Hot...

2010-09-15 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Paul wrote: Speaking of filters. * * * many if not all of the filter material is degenerated. Its soft and sticky. At a min get rid of it. My environments clean so I leave them out. Have never found a replacement. Maybe some home depot air filter. The HP 5345A manual specifically

Re: [time-nuts] HP-5370B Running Hot...

2010-09-15 Thread Chuck Harris
The black/green Scotchbrite pads contain an abrasive which might be friable. I am not sure about the white, but they probably contain something as well. Just something I worry about when using non filter materials as filters. I find that the easiest source of the exact material is in the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B - result

2010-09-15 Thread Neville Michie
The catch with the thermal fuse in an un-plated socket is that as it ages the socket oxidises and the heater current generates enough ohmic heating through a high resistance socket to heat the fuse through its leads. This opens the fuse the next time the oven is heated from cold. I just

Re: [time-nuts] HP-5370B Running Hot...

2010-09-15 Thread Stan, W1LE
The blue Scotch Brite pads also have friable material in them, avoid. Consider visiting your local HVAC (heating, ventilation, and air conditioning) shop Sheet filter material is commonly available from them, and it does not deteriorate like the foam stuff. Review all grades and thicknesses

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B - result

2010-09-15 Thread Mike Feher
I believe it is marked on the fuse body, and, possibly may be around 125C. However it has been a long long time since I have looked at one. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B - result

2010-09-15 Thread J. L. Trantham
According to my manual, it is HP Part Number 10811-80008, which is described as UTG Fuse-Thermal 115C 1.0A 250V, in stock at HP for $5.69, available until gone. The old part number is 2110-0617. I presume that means 115 degrees C. I purchased a few several months ago (price was lower as I

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B - result

2010-09-15 Thread Mike Feher
Guess my memory was not that bad :). - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. L. Trantham Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:07 AM To:

[time-nuts] Fan filters

2010-09-15 Thread Mark Sims
Both Philmore and Keystone (and lots of others) sell fan filter kits.  They have a grill and the media. These people are cheaper than most: http://www.arcade-electronics.com/SearchResult.aspx?KeyWords=fan%20filter But for $25 or so you can get 36 square feet of the stuff:

Re: [time-nuts] Fan filters

2010-09-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Any idea which of the pore size choices (30 through 100 ppi) is the closest to what HP used? 36 square feed is pretty much a lifetime supply. Buying a chunk of each would have you set forever... Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Fan filters

2010-09-15 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi. As you have identified, it's reticulated foam that we need for this application. From memory I'd say the 35 pore per inch size is close to what HP used. It works out at about 0.8mm pore size. Reticulated foam is interesting. It's made from closed cell foam were the walls are either

Re: [time-nuts] Fan filters

2010-09-15 Thread paul swed
Well not sure 36 ft would last a life. It would rot like the original. The answer has to be very available like taking aircon filters apart from home depot. 69 cents each 2 X 3 ft... On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi. As you have identified, it's

[time-nuts] Fan Filters

2010-09-15 Thread Mark Sims
30 to 45 PPI is the most common.  Either will work fine,  it just depends upon the size of the crud you want to keep out (and the size of the dust that will accumulate in the machine).  Filters for the 5370 are probably a good idea...   the fan blows directly onto the open-frame front panel

Re: [time-nuts] Fan Filters

2010-09-15 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Mark wrote: Urethane technology has come a long way since the 5370 came out... but given time, all urethanes seem to revert to their primordial goo. It was for this reason that I started using the ScotchBrite sheets. 3M originally supplied both uncoated and abrasive-coated material (the