Re: [time-nuts] My Garmin 18x, Ver 3.50, currently 1 second slow to UTC

2011-01-05 Thread David J Taylor
Kevin, Geoff, Joseph, and anyone else who has this problem Thanks to Geoff for those measurements. I had an e-mail response from Garmin which suggested turning off the position averaging introduced as a new option in 3.50 firmware. Whilst that may have helped a little, I still saw (at

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing 10 MHz Oscillators at 10 GHz

2011-01-05 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Bruce, I had the same idea as you and my friend Frank and I performed the following experiment to check whether it is possible or not: Two brick oscillators (I believe to remember in the 8 GHz region) were locked to the same source (HP8660) in the 100 MHz region which in turn was locked to my

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing 10 MHz Oscillators at 10 GHz

2011-01-05 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Rick, I guess what you are saying applies only to the case where one tries to mix down to DC ?? 73s de Ulrich, DF6JB -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von Rick Karlquist Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Januar 2011 01:24

Re: [time-nuts] Wide angle light into ST connector/multimode fiber?

2011-01-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 20110104200440.7fad3800...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net, Hal Mu rray writes: I want to get light from a wide angle (30 degrees or so) into a multimode fiber cable to feed a fast MF466 photodiode for short distance sensing. It won't work for a whole lot of reasons. Your chances

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing 10 MHz Oscillators at 10 GHz

2011-01-05 Thread Christophe Huygens
Some related measurements on 10GHz at http://www.qslnet.de/member/on4iy/9912.html Of course, the objective was not really to measure 10MHz, but rather to mimic XO PN at 10GHz using a DDS for the system as a whole (whatever that means). - the 20logN is followed very well outside the PLL loop,

Re: [time-nuts] My Garmin 18x, Ver 3.50, currently 1 second slow to UTC

2011-01-05 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
On Jan 5, 2011, at 1:15 AM, David J Taylor wrote: [...] The Garmin rep who wrote to me suggested that Garmin were unaware of the problem, but would investigate it. Could I urge you all to report this problem to Garmin, please, so that we have a greater chance of getting a fix in the next

Re: [time-nuts] My Garmin 18x, Ver 3.50, currently 1 second slow to UTC

2011-01-05 Thread David J Taylor
David, that's a fine idea. Do you have an email address (or other contact info) where our reports of this issue have a greater chance of getting to the firmware group compared to being forwarded to a write-once, read-never file? Kevin Kevin, I only have a generic e-mail address: product

Re: [time-nuts] My Garmin 18x, Ver 3.50, currently 1 second slow to UTC

2011-01-05 Thread Hal Murray
david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk said: I had an e-mail response from Garmin which suggested turning off the position averaging introduced as a new option in 3.50 firmware. Whilst that may have helped a little, I still saw (at 19200 baud) sentences starting during the PPS signal, i.e. more than

Re: [time-nuts] starloc II and hag-240 photos

2011-01-05 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 05/01/2011 04:05:38 GMT Standard Time, li...@lazygranch.com writes: The orb in the sky made an appearance today, so I figured I'd photograph the guts of the Starloc II. The HAG-240 is an active antenna a local surplus shop was selling. Since it worked with the box, I

Re: [time-nuts] starloc II and hag-240 photos

2011-01-05 Thread lists
Are the other photos on line? A friend who got a starloc ii at the same time says his is different too. (He doesn't have access to his box at the moment). --Original Message-- From: gandal...@aol.com Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com To: time-nuts@febo.com ReplyTo: Discussion of

Re: [time-nuts] My Garmin 18x, Ver 3.50, currently 1 second slow to UTC

2011-01-05 Thread David J Taylor
I think you will have a much better chance of getting Garmin to fix something if we can come up with a clear description of what is broken and/or a simple recipe for a setup that demonstrates the problem. What do you mean by more than one second delayed? That sounds like you are looking at

Re: [time-nuts] starloc II and hag-240 photos

2011-01-05 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 05/01/2011 10:05:15 GMT Standard Time, li...@lazygranch.com writes: Are the other photos on line? - I don't know, it's possible but I don't have any links so you'd need to search for them. Ebay auctions are often a good source of equipment photos. Similar

Re: [time-nuts] My Garmin 18x, Ver 3.50, currently 1 second slow to UTC

2011-01-05 Thread Kiwi Geoff
Hal Murray wrote: It would be really neat if you could run similar experiments on 3.3 and/or 3.5. I have run some more tests Hal, with V3.5, averaging ON and OFF. I include V3.2 for comparison. I measured the time of the START character ($) of the $GPRMC sentence and the LAST 0x10 (Linefeed)

Re: [time-nuts] LCD display connector

2011-01-05 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Local big box food-drug-dpartment chain serving Michigan Ohio. A lot like a super Walmart. Bob From: J. L. Trantham jlt...@att.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 9:29:46 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] starloc II and hag-240 photos

2011-01-05 Thread paul swed
Nice pictures. I have noticed many GPS recvrs use the same scheme or at least the same chips. The ad660 is a fm recvr chip. Essentially you take the downconverted c/a code out and process it digitally. Older Garmins and anritsu gps recvrs use this trick that I have seen. Newer versions most

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing 10 MHz Oscillators at 10 GHz 10 to 100 MHz multiplier

2011-01-05 Thread Paramithiotti, Luciano Paolo S
As requested I have add a PCB bottom side picture. If someone want some more informations or any help please ask me directly. See: http://www.timeok.it/files/10_to_100_mhz_multiplier.pdf I remember you the Maser use a multiplier chain from 5 MHz to 1400Mhz as first LO in the internal receiver

Re: [time-nuts] My Garmin 18x, Ver 3.50, currently 1 second slow to UTC

2011-01-05 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
On Jan 5, 2011, at 4:08 AM, Kiwi Geoff wrote: I have reverted quite a number of times now Kevin - trying to understand why the 18x can be 1 second slow. I have never had an issue putting in an older version into the 18x, the updater software does know what your doing, it says: Hi Geoff (of

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing 10 MHz Oscillators at 10 GHz

2011-01-05 Thread EWKehren
Ulrich Strictly for adjusting and comparing two 10 or 5 MHz sources I use the circuit from the Austron 2110 that takes a 5 MHz input and through mixing generates 5.0005 MHz subsequently devided down to 1.0001 MHZ. Mixed with the other input at 1 MHz the resulting difference is 100 Hz which

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing 10 MHz Oscillators at 10 GHz

2011-01-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi My guess is that you could take a pair of the PLL+VCO chips that several people now make (cheap) and whip up a pretty simple error multiplier circuit. The Analog ADF-4360-1 is one example at ~ $3 each. You could use it to take your 10 MHz up to 2250 with one and 2260 with the other. Mixing

Re: [time-nuts] Basic HP 5334A question

2011-01-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Other than the normal issues with blown inputs, the 5334 is a pretty rugged beast. It's not got a whole lot of crazy stuff inside it. It does have some custom IC's and firmware. The simple answer is that unless you have a valid right of return, it's never clear what you wind up with. Even a

Re: [time-nuts] New Japanese GPS accuracy

2011-01-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The same three satellites and crazy orbit thing is used by Sirius to broadcast satellite radio in the US. It's perfectly optimized if you live in a deep canyon (urban or otherwise) in Nebraska The figure 8 stuff would seem to be a lot better for moving data to a defined footprint than for

Re: [time-nuts] New Japanese GPS accuracy

2011-01-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 01/05/2011 06:53 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The same three satellites and crazy orbit thing is used by Sirius to broadcast satellite radio in the US. It's perfectly optimized if you live in a deep canyon (urban or otherwise) in Nebraska The figure 8 stuff would seem to be a lot better for

Re: [time-nuts] Us Time Nuts and... Wrist Watches.

2011-01-05 Thread Oz-in-DFW
I'm not too far different. I have a Timex Easy Reader which has an MSRP of $40, but I paid $19.95 at Target. Very large dial numerals with an equally loud and satisfying tick. The Indiglo dial face is great, too. Loses a few seconds a month so far. On 12/26/2010 3:25 PM, Robert Darlington wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] starloc II and hag-240 photos

2011-01-05 Thread Rob Kimberley
...and also like the FEI-Zyfer NanoSync. They were all designed to meet a common spec for sync of cellular base stations in the US. Rob K -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of gandal...@aol.com Sent: 05 January 2011 9:52 AM

Re: [time-nuts] Basic HP 5334A question

2011-01-05 Thread Pete Lancashire
The ones to really look out for are the sellers that have starting prices on 99% of their stuff way above what the normal/average selling price is, and even have a 7 day return, then they have something like a 5370B for $50, and it says untested. The one I liked was last summer. It was a DMM and

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing 10 MHz Oscillators

2011-01-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Looks like there should be a page past the 2110-5 pdf file. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of ewkeh...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:47 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Comparing 10

Re: [time-nuts] starloc II and hag-240 photos

2011-01-05 Thread Hal Murray
The ad660 is a fm recvr chip. Google tells me that it's a DAC: AD660 | Monolithic 16-Bit Serial/Byte DACPORT | All D/A Converters ... The AD660 DACPORT® is a complete 16-bit monolithic digital-to-analog ... -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing 10 MHz Oscillators at 10 GHz 10 to 100 MHz multiplier

2011-01-05 Thread paul swed
Very helpful On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Paramithiotti, Luciano Paolo S luciano.paramithio...@hp.com wrote: As requested I have add a PCB bottom side picture. If someone want some more informations or any help please ask me directly. See:

Re: [time-nuts] Basic HP 5334A question

2011-01-05 Thread Rick Karlquist
Bob Camp wrote: Hi Other than the normal issues with blown inputs, the 5334 is a pretty rugged beast. It's not got a whole lot of crazy stuff inside it. It does have some custom IC's and firmware. Actually, it has crazy stuff IMHO. The controller is broken up into three separate

Re: [time-nuts] Basic HP 5334A question

2011-01-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There's some subtle distinctions I had not realized were there. All I've ever seen are the B model. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rick Karlquist Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:37 PM To: Discussion of

[time-nuts] Looking for Tracor 599 VLF Receiver Manual

2011-01-05 Thread woffermom
Subject: Looking for Tracor 599 VLF Receiver Manual I have acquired a Tracor Series 599 VLF Tracking Receiver system that I'd like to use for WWVB reception. I'm curious if anyone has, or knows of, a source of manual(s) for this system. It consists of the following units: Power Supply 599-502

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing 10 MHz Oscillators

2011-01-05 Thread EWKehren
Bob it is all there on the left are the inputs and the labels are missing because of the ring binder. Top does not have transformer because it is the internal reference. Can be replaced with the circuit below. Bert Kehren In a message dated 1/5/2011 1:52:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Tracor 599 VLF Receiver Manual

2011-01-05 Thread paul swed
Al, Bert who is on this list is quite an expert. He has helped me. I have a pair of 599s One working the other so so. Several comments. Pretty sure that your 599 will not do loran. Loran was nothing like what the system worked on steady cw carriers. Generally it worked on 25 KC and below on the

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Tracor 599 VLF Receiver Manual

2011-01-05 Thread J. Forster
It's OMEGA not LORAN. Try FairRadio or Google for it. OMEGA was in the 10-25 KHz region. LORAN-C was 100 KHz. WWVB is 60 KHz. You might be better off starting from scratch. Best, -John === Subject: Looking for Tracor 599 VLF Receiver Manual I have acquired a Tracor Series 599

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Tracor 599 VLF Receiver Manual

2011-01-05 Thread EWKehren
Paul, did you scan the manual? Bert In a message dated 1/5/2011 2:58:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, paulsw...@gmail.com writes: Al, Bert who is on this list is quite an expert. He has helped me. I have a pair of 599s One working the other so so. Several comments. Pretty sure that your 599

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Tracor 599 VLF Receiver Manual

2011-01-05 Thread paul swed
No I did not scan it On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:03 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Paul, did you scan the manual? Bert In a message dated 1/5/2011 2:58:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, paulsw...@gmail.com writes: Al, Bert who is on this list is quite an expert. He has helped me. I have a pair

Re: [time-nuts] Basic HP 5334A question - Ebay stuff

2011-01-05 Thread Robert Atkinson
The other thing to check is proper dealers. Here in the UK I can buy some kit from highly reptutable dealers with 30 day warranty and manuals inculded for a fraction of what some ebay sellers are starting at. For example a 5316B, obviously ex a recent disposal auction (Lot No. stickers still