Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-15 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 02/15/2011 04:18 AM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: Bob wrote: If all you are doing is running a Thunderbolt, you don't need a supply that's more quiet than most batteries. Most batteries are *very* quiet -- it takes heroic measures to get *any* actively regulated supply into that ballpark.

Re: [time-nuts] Advanced 5 to 10 MHz doubler

2011-02-15 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Paramithiotti, Luciano Paolo S wrote: http://www.timeok.it/files/5_to10_mhz_advanced_doubler.pdf Best regards, Luciano Luciano P. S. Paramithiotti This design appears to have gone somewhat astray. Adjusting the 200 ohm pot between the collectors should have very little effect if the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-15 Thread Brendan Minish
On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 10:47 +0100, Magnus Danielson wrote: This has gone overboard. The T-bolt generates digital noise all by itself. It's the OCXO which would benefit most from a clean supply and isolation from the rest of the T-bolt except that temp-sensor. Considering the T-bolt has 3

Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Drop in frequency = mass increase. Mass is moving on to the crystal as time goes on. Since the package (hopefully) is sealed, there are a fairly limited number of ways to do that. 1) The case of the crystal was more dirty than the blank when things were sealed, equilibrium is to move to

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The same board with all the logic crud on it has the 10 MHz signal amps on it. Same supply / same ground for it all. There very much is a practical limit here. Bob On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:47 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 02/15/2011 04:18 AM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: Bob wrote: If

Re: [time-nuts] Advanced 5 to 10 MHz doubler

2011-02-15 Thread Paramithiotti, Luciano Paolo S
http://www.timeok.it/files/5_to10_mhz_advanced_doubler.pdf This design appears to have gone somewhat astray. high impedance unless of course the transistors enter saturation in which case the phase noise performance will be severely degraded. The best place for a balance adjustment circuit is

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The +12 volts is what you want to keep stable. You would like to keep them all reasonably clean. That's not to hard for -12 since there's next to no current on it. +5 is mostly digital logic, it generates it's own suprs and noise. +12 runs the OCXO and it's internal regulators, it's likely

[time-nuts] *****SPAM***** Re: Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-15 Thread Ralph Smith
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Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-15 Thread Ralph Smith
It seems my mail server was a little overzealous in declaring a message spam, for which I apologize, and will try a resend. On Tue, February 15, 2011 7:40 am, Brendan Minish wrote: I guess what I am wondering, considering I already have a very low noise, stable, battery backed 12V (13.8V

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-15 Thread Bob Camp
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[time-nuts] Datum OT-20 Office Time

2011-02-15 Thread Arthur Dent
Here is a little more info on the OT-20. I connected my OT-20 to a cell antenna and a 48VDC power supply and let the unit warm up. I used a terminal emulator set to 9600 8N1 to talk to the unit. The link below is the response of the OT-20 to various commands I sent to it. Press shift ? on

Re: [time-nuts] Datum OT-20 Office Time

2011-02-15 Thread Pete Lancashire
thanks ! now to find a CDMA antenna. My call the one that went with the unit is long gone still attached to the building or in the bottom of the BIG metal recycle bin. -pete On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Arthur Dent golgarfrinc...@yahoo.com wrote: Here is a little more info on the OT-20.

Re: [time-nuts] Advanced 5 to 10 MHz doubler

2011-02-15 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Paramithiotti, Luciano Paolo S wrote: http://www.timeok.it/files/5_to10_mhz_advanced_doubler.pdf This design appears to have gone somewhat astray. high impedance unless of course the transistors enter saturation in which case the phase noise performance will be severely degraded. The

[time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Stan, W1LE
Hello The Net: When I retired almost 2 decades ago, I put my wristwatch in a drawer and left it there. I was hoping to never have to use it again. Wishful thinking. Now I need it, but it does not work, battery is depleted. I need to open it up and replace the battery. Any idea how I get my

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Tom Holmes
Hi Stan... I was able to find a local jewelry store that had a watch repair shop with the tools, skills and knowledge needed to rebuild my Seiko a few months back, and at a reasonable cost. Maybe that would work out for you too. Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79 -Original Message-

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Peter Loron
There are case tools available, but unless you're going to be fiddling with the watch regularly (or just want more tools), it may be best to find a reputable local jeweler or watch specialist to do the work. timezone.com has active forums of watch-nuts, and you may be able to find a

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread EWKehren
You may find that if you left a battery in there you may have other problems. Having some expensive watches I leave that part up to an expert, take it to a watch repair place. Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/15/2011 2:43:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, stanw...@verizon.net writes:

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Chris Albertson
Almost any place that sells quality watches will replace the battery for you for about the price of the battery. It takes about 5 minutes and they will have the tools and battery You should get most of your $10 bill back as change Typically there are two types of rear covers some are threaded

[time-nuts] Attn: Steve - K8JQ - GPS Antenna splitters

2011-02-15 Thread Mike Feher
Sorry to the rest of the group for this post. Steve - my emails to you keep on getting lost it seems. If you provide a phone number I will call you. Thanks - Mike To the rest who purchased them - they were all shipped last week. Thanks - Mike Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc. 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ,

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There is one sneaky little gotcha in replacing a watch battery. On a good watch, they replace the O-ring when they replace the battery. They also make sure the inside of the case is nice and dry before they seal it. Omit either step and your watch face is likely to fog when it gets cold. I

Re: [time-nuts] Datum OT-20 Office Time

2011-02-15 Thread paul swed
Very neat. Great find you have. I will guess it locked to some celsite. But surprised at what it states its accuracy is. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Arthur Dent golgarfrinc...@yahoo.comwrote: Here is a little more info on the OT-20. I connected my OT-20 to a cell antenna and a 48VDC

[time-nuts] Help needed

2011-02-15 Thread asmagal
Please, help me to find the specifications for the following brick: Zeta Model 5705-02 X96 Frequency Multiplier Thanks in advance, Antonio CT1TE ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread William H. Fite
I strongly urge you to send it back to Rolex. They will take the movement out of the case, clean it, test it, replace all the gaskets and seals, install a new battery, and even buff the case and bracelet for you. I have a couple of Omegas (mechanicals) and about every 5 years I send them to

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Chuck Harris
Rolex... that makes an easy job hard. Rolex typically uses a very strange formed wrench to screw off the back right hand thread, by the way... where every other high quality watch uses a simple case spanner wrench with 6 tangs, Rolex Oyster's have 6 wiggly shaped forms that they repeat to

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread William H. Fite
I defer to your expertise, Chuck. I will just note that when Omega overhauls a mechanical they reset the warranty. And it isn't *that* expensive, especially considering the initial investment. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: Rolex... that makes an

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Chuck Harris
Reasonable is a matter of opinion. Rolex charges more than $500 for servicing one of their Oyster Perpetuals. The Oysterquartz is a much simpler watch.. (being all electronic), and should be less, but I'd bet it isn't. Also, be very sure that your watch is really a Rolex, with a real Rolex

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread lists
I just take my Rolex to Sears. Then again, my Rolex only cost $10 and was made in Taiwan. ;-) I used to be of the school of just take the watch to any jeweler. More or less true, but I had a battery replacement done at a foo-foo jewelry boutique and no change from my $10. I did get change

[time-nuts] RF Cables available (UK - collect only) - Free to a good home!

2011-02-15 Thread Rob Kimberley
All, I have some cables available. Free to anyone who wants to visit me. Belden 9913 (RG-8/U) 1x 150' with N connectors 2x 50' with N Connectors 1x 25' un-terminated Commscope 7713NM (RG213/U) 1x 25' with N connectors. Acutime Lead (ex Datum or possibly Odetics/KSI board

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Chris Albertson
After I wrote just take it to any quality watch retailer I got to thinking, Wow someone actually still uses a wrist watch? If you look around almost no one does because all of our electronic gadgets, cell phones and the like all have LCD screens that display the time. A watch is redundant

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 02/16/2011 12:25 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: After I wrote just take it to any quality watch retailer I got to thinking, Wow someone actually still uses a wrist watch? If you look around almost no one does because all of our electronic gadgets, cell phones and the like all have LCD

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Flemming Larsen
I recently inherited my father's 40-year-old Omega Constellation watch. This watch probably hasn't been used in 15 years or more. I was going to take it to a reputable watch repair shop (Geneva Watch Repair in San Francisco} but have put it off due to the expected cost. What exactly is not

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Flemming Larsen oz...@yahoo.dk wrote: What exactly is not that expensive if I wanted to send it back to Omega in Switzerland and what is the procedure? Short answer: about $400 but it comes back like new and with a warranty. Longer answer: Note that CHF and

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread lists
My $17 battery went in a Polar heart rate monitoring watch. I have a Junghans atomic watch and of course a Taiwan Rollex. The atomic watch comes in handy for satellite watching in the boonies. I suppose I could use my GPS for the same function.

[time-nuts] Agilent 53230?

2011-02-15 Thread Geraldo Lino de Campos
Dis someone evaluate the new Agilent 53230? Something like the analysis at http://www.febo.com/pages/hp5370b/ ? -- Geraldo Lino de Campos gera...@decampos.net ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Chuck Harris
Wrist watches are very useful when you don't have pockets. They are also more convenient when you want to know the time without having to fish around in your pockets with a free (or dirty) hand. If I'm going to use a pocket watch, I'll use one of my nice antique railroad watches. -Chuck Harris

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Chuck Harris
Magnus Danielson wrote: On 02/16/2011 12:25 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: After I wrote just take it to any quality watch retailer I got to thinking, Wow someone actually still uses a wrist watch? If you look around almost no one does because all of our electronic gadgets, cell phones and the

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Chuck Harris
It takes about 3 hours to take a watch down to its bits, clean it, reassemble, and lubricate everything, and then do a preliminary adjustment. Whatever you earn for 3-4 hours of your time would probably be a reasonable price as long as no parts are required. If you are paying less than that

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 79, Issue 69

2011-02-15 Thread Burt I. Weiner
I wear a wrist watch with an hour hand, a minute hand, and a seconds hand. When i wore a digital watch it seldom registered with me as to what time it really was. Oh yes, I knew that it was, say, 3:15 PM, but it didn't mean the same as looking at my old fashioned watch and seeing the little

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Heathkid
Magnus, seriously... how can a watch be off-topic? I have a nice collection of both pocket and wrist watches. Some are more accurate than my cell phone which I don't trust at all (it messed up due to a time-zone change while driving last weekend). A *watch* IS the measurement of time. We

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Roy Morgan
On Feb 15, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: Almost any place that sells quality watches will replace the battery for you for about the price of the batteryYou should get most of your $10 bill back as change Chris, Maybe follow on messages to the list have clarified a bit:

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread cook michael
Le 16/02/2011 00:57, Chris Albertson a écrit : How can watches be OT on a time-nuts list? Yes the technology of today is electronic but mechanical time keeping was the center of this art for centuries. I agree , with the caveat that posts keep to technical topics. There are plenty of product

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-15 Thread Flemming Larsen
This has gone overboard. As a sailor I'm careful about using that phrase. Thanks for all the suggestions and information. I;m now back to my original plan to use the Power-One +5V and +/- 15V switching power supply, followed by a pair of 7812/7912 voltage regulators for the + and - 12V. The

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread Heathkid
BLING? Really? Seriously? A watch is considered bling now? Can you build a mechanical watch in your workshop that is as accurate as those manufactured 100 years ago? That's technology! Otherwise, a precision watch mechanical or electronic is just as on-topic as a Cs standard and I'd

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread cook michael
Le 16/02/2011 07:21, Heathkid a écrit : BLING? Really? Seriously? A watch is considered bling now? Can you build a mechanical watch in your workshop that is as accurate as those manufactured 100 years ago? That's technology! Otherwise, a precision watch mechanical or electronic is