Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt temperature question

2011-04-05 Thread Max Skop
My Tbolt is running at 47+ degrees and seems to be unstable on the last 3 digits. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:50 AM, msproul mspr...@suddenlink.net wrote: What is the normally expected oven temperature range of the Thunderbolt? Over the past year the temperature of my Tbolt, as reported by

[time-nuts] IEEE 1588 PTP transceiver chip announced by NatSemi

2011-04-05 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
For those interested, from http://www.national.com/pf/DP/DP83630.html The DP83630 Precision PHYTER® device delivers the highest level of precision clock synchronization for real time industrial connectivity based on the IEEE 1588 standard. The DP83630 has deterministic, low latency and allows

Re: [time-nuts] HP 3586 entirely referenced to 10MHz: A solution II

2011-04-05 Thread paul swed
I am thinking the answer is not the interesting thread. Its yes, that approach was considered. I can't speak for Bert but the issue has been understood for a long time actually. At least 10 years since my first purchase. When I consider a problem I tend to look at the trade offs trade offs. The

[time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: Just reading at: http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt First about the candela and all it's problems, then what's a Time Nut issue Hz . // This means that, if you follow the rules of the SI, // 1 Hz = 1/s = 1 radian/s which is simply inconsistent and violates basic // ideas of

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/5/11 8:25 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Just reading at: http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt First about the candela and all it's problems, then what's a Time Nut issue Hz . // This means that, if you follow the rules of the SI, // 1 Hz = 1/s = 1 radian/s which is simply

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Jim: But what you show violates the SI rules, even though it's the correct calculation. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Jim Lux wrote: On 4/5/11 8:25 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Just reading at: http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt First about the candela and all

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread wa1...@att.net
-Brian, WA1ZMS On Apr 5, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 4/5/11 8:25 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Just reading at: http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt First about the candela and all it's problems, then what's a Time Nut issue Hz . // This means that, if

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread wa1...@att.net
Is that the one that's plotted on Lin-Log paper? -Brian, WA1ZMS On Apr 5, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 4/5/11 8:25 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Just reading at: http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt First about the candela and all it's problems, then what's

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread cook michael
Le 05/04/2011 17:51, Jim Lux a écrit : On 4/5/11 8:25 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Just reading at: http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt First about the candela and all it's problems, then what's a Time Nut issue Hz . // This means that, if you follow the rules of the SI, // 1 Hz =

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Arnold Tibus
I don't understand what is wrong with 'Hz'. As Time in seconds is a SI unit, Frequency is the reciprocal value of time, f=1/T, Frequency is not a SI base unit but a SI coherent derived unit (in the list with special names and symbols as force, pressure, charge, power, resistance etc.). [11th CGPM,

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Arnold: The web site contains a lot of unit related computations, see: http://futureboy.us/fsp/frink.fsp and it's author has spent quite a lot of time in understanding units. In school when I learned this it was called dimensional analysis. Here is the section dealing with Hertz:

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/5/11 10:10 AM, wa1...@att.net wrote: Is that the one that's plotted on Lin-Log paper? It is indeed. I have no idea where it originated. From the typography, I'm going to guess it was done in the 60s, but I got a copy of a copy from a field engineer, etc. BTW, if anyone is confused,

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 04/05/2011 05:25 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Just reading at: http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt First about the candela and all it's problems, then what's a Time Nut issue Hz . // This means that, if you follow the rules of the SI, // 1 Hz = 1/s = 1 radian/s which is simply

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread ehydra
For me it looks like this guy hates SI system. There are many out there. How cares? The problems arise if systems get mixed up and at least one end of the communication link thinks the other does the same. So left-right screws confusing between UK and Europe, satellites with inch-meters

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4d9b5a36@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: On 04/05/2011 05:25 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: I haven't had the brains to follow the rant, but I think the problem doesn't exist any more. Current docs should make it coherent. I think he is fundamentally (ha!) confused.

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
And you are being redundant, by saying SI system which is like saying International System System. Also see PIN number :-) Rick On 4/5/2011 2:22 PM, ehydra wrote: For me it looks like this guy hates SI system. There are many out there. How cares? The problems arise if systems get mixed up

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Greg Broburg
Don't forget LCD Display - Liquid Crystal Display Display Alternative to LED Display - Light Emitting Diode Display Greg On 4/5/2011 4:07 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: And you are being redundant, by saying SI system which is like saying International System System. Also see PIN number

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 04/06/2011 12:04 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message4d9b5a36@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: On 04/05/2011 05:25 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: I haven't had the brains to follow the rant, but I think the problem doesn't exist any more. Current docs should make it

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Joseph Gray
You must work for the Department of Redundancy Department. Joe Gray W5JG On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Greg Broburg semif...@comcast.net wrote: Don't forget LCD Display - Liquid Crystal Display Display Alternative to LED Display - Light Emitting Diode Display Greg On 4/5/2011 4:07 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Wolfgang
...probably somebody who hates SI units for some unknown reason and uses his intelligence to construct a couple of ridiculous arguments supposed to show that this system of units had holes. On Tuesday 05 April 2011, Brooke Clarke wrote: // This means that, if you follow the rules of the SI,

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Don Latham
I agree. After all, teh SI system is clearly God's units as revealed by the French... Don Wolfgang ...probably somebody who hates SI units for some unknown reason and uses his intelligence to construct a couple of ridiculous arguments supposed to show that this system of units had holes. On

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Max Robinson
I used to tell my students upon the introduction of angular frequency that if the math of AC analysis had come along a little earlier that our radio dials would be calibrated in radians per second instead of cycles per second (Hz). Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Mike S
At 08:43 PM 4/5/2011, Wolfgang wrote... ...probably somebody who hates SI units for some unknown reason and uses his intelligence to construct a couple of ridiculous arguments supposed to show that this system of units had holes. ...or someone tired of academics creating things which are

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread ehydra
I don't think that SI is the last system we see and that is for the decimal system too. I see small problems like the definiton of mass as units of 1000xgrams and that the k is low but should be K to be consistent (M, G, etc). But to think the american system is better must be a joke. Even the

[time-nuts] Proton Precession Magnetometer

2011-04-05 Thread Neville Michie
Hi, I am boxing up my LPRO rubidium source in a steel box. The device is to be thermostated by controlling a small fan outside the box to keep the LPRO at about 40*C. Although the unit is in a mumetal box I assume there may be some penetration of earths magnetic field. The steel box should

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Greg Broburg
The number 6 and derivations thereof were presented to the world of science from the numerologists. Time was arranged as parts of a day, 24 hours 60 minutes per hour 60 seconds per minute. Very tenuous at best. I propose that we consider 100 seconds in a minute, 100 minutes in an hour, and 10

Re: [time-nuts] Proton Precession Magnetometer

2011-04-05 Thread brent evers
Whats the required sensitivity? How much field strength (penetration) are you trying to measure? Brent On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Neville Michie namic...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am boxing up my LPRO rubidium source in a steel box. The device is to be thermostated by controlling a small

Re: [time-nuts] Proton Precession Magnetometer

2011-04-05 Thread Eric Garner
There's an article in the may 2007 (issue 202) issue of circuit cellar on building a magnetometer that might be a good starting point. Sent from my Banana jr (tm) Mobile Device On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Neville Michie namic...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am boxing up my LPRO rubidium source in

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Mike S
At 09:01 PM 4/5/2011, ehydra wrote... the k is low but should be K to be consistent (M, G, etc). That's historical. All of the original prefixes (from 1795) were lower case. When new ones extended the magnitudes (in 1960), capitalization was necessary to distinguish M(ega) from m(icro). They

Re: [time-nuts] Proton Precession Magnetometer

2011-04-05 Thread John Miles
Hi, I am boxing up my LPRO rubidium source in a steel box. The device is to be thermostated by controlling a small fan outside the box to keep the LPRO at about 40*C. Although the unit is in a mumetal box I assume there may be some penetration of earths magnetic field. The steel box

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Jim Lux
On Apr 5, 2011, at 17:48, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: I agree. After all, teh SI system is clearly God's units as revealed by the French... Don Oh, those Cassinis At least the English got the Prime Meridian out of the deal ___

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems - no more please

2011-04-05 Thread Said Jackson
Guys, enough already please!! Sent from my iPad On Apr 5, 2011, at 20:30, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 17:48, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: I agree. After all, teh SI system is clearly God's units as revealed by the French... Don Oh, those