[time-nuts] Time Frequency Signal Analysis and Processing

2011-07-01 Thread Electronics and Books
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2011-07-01 Thread Will Matney
All, For some odd reason, I think my e-mail app has sent replies to private e-mails back to the list, and I have just noticed this. If anyone has received them, please disregard them, and I will try to find out why this is happening, and shut them off. Sorry for this, as I never noticed it until n

Re: [time-nuts] IBM TYpe 37 Master was Re: IBM's "Clock Corner"

2011-07-01 Thread Don Couch
Hi, Russell, I just recently sold my IBM Type 37 to a collector in the Los Angeles area. I have the factory documentation for it. If you send me your snail mail address, I will run off a copy for you. This is indeed a fabulous clock. Mine was built in 1957. It used the 3-minute 600Hz. tone that

Re: [time-nuts] Generating a stable 26MHz and 19.2MHz from 10MHz

2011-07-01 Thread ed breya
If you don't need the 26 and 19.2 to be exactly phase locked to the 10, and you can find crystals at those frequencies, I would suggest that you go straight digital. There are a number of simple divide, mix, multiply, and filter combinations that would make those frequencies directly. The main

Re: [time-nuts] Breguet TYPE XXII

2011-07-01 Thread Will Matney
Tom, I think you misunderstood the post. I was not peddling a watch, but quoting an e-mail, containing the technical aspects of, or the horological aspects of, the new watch itself, or the new movement they're using to tell time, and what they did. Maybe I should have started the quote at "This cr

Re: [time-nuts] Remotely read power meters

2011-07-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <2506.12.6.201.111.1309558264.squir...@popaccts.quikus.com>, "J. For ster" writes: >OTOH, it is hard to see the benefit of such meters to the utility, because >the reader person still has to walk house-to-house. Over here we read the meter ourselves, once a year, but they do random spo

Re: [time-nuts] IBM TYpe 37 Master was Re: IBM's "Clock Corner"

2011-07-01 Thread paul swed
Interesting read and a nice site. Have to say to stumble across any of these is indeed luc. Enjoy On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Russell Rezaian wrote: > Hi Pete, > > Thanks. Yes, I was planning to write them myself. The existence and > quality of the Clock Corner site itself is pretty strong

Re: [time-nuts] Remotely read power meters

2011-07-01 Thread J. Forster
They are not like the US meters, but interesting. BTW, Google Translate works fine on the text and helps a lot. OTOH, it is hard to see the benefit of such meters to the utility, because the reader person still has to walk house-to-house. -John = > In message , "William >

Re: [time-nuts] live 50 Hz measurements

2011-07-01 Thread Joe Gwinn
From digest vol 84 issue 7: Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 13:06:31 -0700 From: Chris Albertson To: xfor...@citynet.net, Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] live 50 Hz measurements Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Ju

Re: [time-nuts] Remotely read power meters

2011-07-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , "William H. Fi te" writes: OK, can we just add a bit of postive here ? If your meter is anything like the ones we have over here, they have a two-way optical port marked "DLMS", "IEC-62056-21" or similar. Hook up a IR-LED and IR-Photodiode to your serial port, open a terminal progra

Re: [time-nuts] Breguet TYPE XXII

2011-07-01 Thread Robert Lutwak
H...CSACs don't look so costly now. -RL --- -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Will Matney Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 3:52 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Breguet TYPE XXII Just got this in an e-mail f

Re: [time-nuts] Remotely read power meters

2011-07-01 Thread William H. Fite
I'm with you, Hal. I am very poorly educated with respect to electrical engineering and thus find this list a great place to listen and learn. But there are a handful of folks who seemingly cannot post without bashing the government or the president or the FCC or anyone handy. IMO, this does not

Re: [time-nuts] Godwin corollary (was Remotely read power meters)

2011-07-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The gotcha is that some threads get violently stomped in a few hours and others go on for weeks and weeks Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Harris Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 8:00 AM To: Discussion of pr

Re: [time-nuts] Generating a stable 26MHz and 19.2MHz from 10MHz

2011-07-01 Thread J. L. Trantham
Wouldn't the Shera controller work if you divided the 26 or 19.2 MHz OCXO into the 1 to 5 MHz range? I seem to recall that the exact frequency was not critical, just that it was in that range roughly. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.

Re: [time-nuts] live 50 Hz measurements

2011-07-01 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Will Matney wrote: > > . For accuracy sake, > I'd still compare the line freq. to a standard, but that's just me. If the computer used for this is also running "ntpd" the computer's clock is disciplined. How well depends on what ntpd is using as a reference clock

Re: [time-nuts] IBM TYpe 37 Master was Re: IBM's "Clock Corner"

2011-07-01 Thread Russell Rezaian
Hi Pete, Thanks. Yes, I was planning to write them myself. The existence and quality of the Clock Corner site itself is pretty strong evidence that they take this sort of request very seriously... Incidentally, if you search for the Typer 37 master in the world's favorite search engine the

Re: [time-nuts] IBM TYpe 37 Master was Re: IBM's "Clock Corner"

2011-07-01 Thread Pete Lancashire
I would give a try at contacting IBM's Archivist. Who ever wrote the Clock page came across as very dedicated to his or her job. -pete On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Russell Rezaian wrote: > I've actually had reason to reference this IBM resource myself recently. > > Unfortunately they don't h

[time-nuts] Breguet TYPE XXII

2011-07-01 Thread Will Matney
Just got this in an e-mail from Breguet. Breguet TYPE XXII – Flyback Chronograph in Steel is now available in the New York Breguet Boutique. "The Breguet Type XXII chronograph offers an aesthetic reinterpretation of the legendary Type XX, but above all embodies a high-precision achievement. This

Re: [time-nuts] live 50 Hz measurements

2011-07-01 Thread Will Matney
Pieter-Tjerk, Now that is exactly what I had pictured in my head yesterday, and the day before. The chart will give a comparison, over a long time period, of any deviation. We do the same with calibrations, when we're looking for the deviation on voltage and resistance, over a month to a year. It'

[time-nuts] IBM TYpe 37 Master was Re: IBM's "Clock Corner"

2011-07-01 Thread Russell Rezaian
I've actually had reason to reference this IBM resource myself recently. Unfortunately they don't have much in the way of detail on the Type 37 Master. I just acquired on of these Type 37 masters and I am looking for technical information on it. I've found ONE reference on the NAWCC forums to

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-07-01 Thread Francis Grosz
Folks, The Pacific Northwest National Laboratory has a couple of "Grid Monitor" tools as part of their "Gridwise" program that you can download. This gives a pretty good high resolution look at the grid frequency. (This is the frequency of the Western Interconnect.) If you're interested, c

Re: [time-nuts] TEC party: hardware suggestion

2011-07-01 Thread Chris Albertson
Posted to this list just minutes before is a live on-line measurement demo. The hardware used is pretty simple. Just four inexpensive parts (and a computer) http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/lichtnet/ On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Tom Holmes wrote: > In thinking about how to implement a sche

Re: [time-nuts] IBM's "Clock Corner"

2011-07-01 Thread J. Forster
There is a link at the very bottom of the page, after the boilerplate. -John > Didn't see a single PDF but this is the 'corner' > > http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/cc/cc_room.html > > -pete > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: >> Hi Pete: >> >>

[time-nuts] live 50 Hz measurements

2011-07-01 Thread Pieter-Tjerk de Boer
Hello 50 & 60 Hz nuts, The recent discussions here on measuring the mains frequency and phase prompted me to revive an experiment I set up some 3 years ago. Live data about the phase and frequency of the 50 Hz mains here in the Netherlands can now be viewed at: http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/

Re: [time-nuts] IBM's "Clock Corner"

2011-07-01 Thread Pete Lancashire
Didn't see a single PDF but this is the 'corner' http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/cc/cc_room.html -pete On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: > Hi Pete: > > I saw the model number listing.  Do you know if there's a version that has > photos? > > Have Fun, > > Brooke Cl

Re: [time-nuts] IBM's "Clock Corner"

2011-07-01 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Pete: I saw the model number listing. Do you know if there's a version that has photos? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Pete Lancashire wrote: This first edition of Clock Corner is just an initial gathering of illustrations, documents and data regarding some of those produ

[time-nuts] IBM's "Clock Corner"

2011-07-01 Thread Pete Lancashire
This first edition of Clock Corner is just an initial gathering of illustrations, documents and data regarding some of those products. In the months to come, we'll periodically post additional information to answer your questions and add to the library of available resources on IBM clocks. If you d

Re: [time-nuts] Generating a stable 26MHz and 19.2MHz from 10MHz

2011-07-01 Thread Rob Kimberley
I think he was talking about stability not accuracy. 1second short term stability on a standard 8600 BVA is 1E-12 and 5E-13 at 10 seconds. Rob K -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: 01 July 2011 3:18

Re: [time-nuts] TEC party: hardware suggestion

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Holmes
In thinking about how to implement a scheme to make the phase and frequency comparison using what I have on hand, I considered the following as a possibility: An ARB with a GPS derived 10 MHz reference set to 60 Hz. The one I have has a very low jitter spec. It actually is a dual ARB so I could us

Re: [time-nuts] Generating a stable 26MHz and 19.2MHz from 10MHz

2011-07-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi What you probably will wind up with is a bit wider PLL bandwidth than 50 Hz. The noise floor of your dividers and your phase detector will need to be below that of the BVA. If you divide by 10, then the 20 log N works against you in this case. Take a look at the phase noise numbers on the OCXO

Re: [time-nuts] 53132A counter slow frequency update

2011-07-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There may be different behavior with different firmware versions. I do know that a *lot* of 53131's behave exactly as described (like over 40 of them). Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Jose Camara Sent: Thursday,

Re: [time-nuts] Generating a stable 26MHz and 19.2MHz from 10MHz

2011-07-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/01/2011 01:33 PM, Anders Time wrote: I want go generate a stable 26MHz and 19.2MHz signal with stability in the 1E-13 range at 1s from my 10MHz BVA. Have been thinking about dividing the signals down to 1MHz and 100kHz and PLL (50Hz BW or so) a reasonable stable 26MHz and 19.2MHz OCXO to th

Re: [time-nuts] Generating a stable 26MHz and 19.2MHz from 10MHz

2011-07-01 Thread Chris Albertson
To get to 1E-13 I'm thinking you may need to do it the same way you got the 10MHz Build an ovenized 26Mhz crystal oscillator and discipline it. On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Anders Time wrote: > I want go generate a stable 26MHz and 19.2MHz signal with stability in > the 1E-13 range at 1s from

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-07-01 Thread J. Forster
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 03:29:49PM -0700, J. Forster wrote: >> If over-the-air TV were abolished, that would leave all broadcast media >> in >> the hands of Comcast and Verizon and their $100+ charges. > > Broadcast TV will never go away... far too important to the > political class as a pl

Re: [time-nuts] Generating a stable 26MHz and 19.2MHz from 10MHz

2011-07-01 Thread paul swed
bva? 1e-13 seems like a tall order to me. But I am sure others will have a better idea. On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Anders Time wrote: > I want go generate a stable 26MHz and 19.2MHz signal with stability in > the 1E-13 range at 1s from my 10MHz BVA. > Have been thinking about dividing the s

Re: [time-nuts] Godwin corollary (was Remotely read power meters)

2011-07-01 Thread Chuck Harris
People are tremendously flexible, and are interested in a wide variety of things that is why they are worthy of communication. Any attempt at segregating thought into a single subject invariably fails as the creative minds, and the conversations wander. Rigid enforcement of such segregation o

[time-nuts] Generating a stable 26MHz and 19.2MHz from 10MHz

2011-07-01 Thread Anders Time
I want go generate a stable 26MHz and 19.2MHz signal with stability in the 1E-13 range at 1s from my 10MHz BVA. Have been thinking about dividing the signals down to 1MHz and 100kHz and PLL (50Hz BW or so) a reasonable stable 26MHz and 19.2MHz OCXO to that signal. But I'm worried that the division

Re: [time-nuts] Godwin corollary (was Remotely read power meters)

2011-07-01 Thread Steve Rooke
noise-nuts, I like it :) On 1 July 2011 22:17, Morris Odell wrote: >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Remotely read power meters >> >> >> This is OT for time-nuts.  Should we start another list for things like >> this? >>  nuts-overflow?  nuts-OT? > > > I would like to propose a corollary t

[time-nuts] Godwin corollary (was Remotely read power meters)

2011-07-01 Thread Morris Odell
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Remotely read power meters > > > This is OT for time-nuts. Should we start another list for things like > this? > nuts-overflow? nuts-OT? I would like to propose a corollary to Godwin's Law* for technical discussion groups. I have observed that every el

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-07-01 Thread Steve Rooke
And when do you think the old age of the robber barons ended? Steve On 1 July 2011 18:05, Don Latham wrote: > IMHO, it's the new age of the robber barons. Paying for content is one > thing, paying a government granted monopoly for use of the transmission > medium is another.  There is no effectiv