[time-nuts] KNYO 500 Hz Beat note...

2011-10-14 Thread Burt I. Weiner
Rick, I took a listen the other night and did not hear the beat. Tonight my wife and I went out for a little sustenance, just to maintain life, of course. On the way to the restaurant I tuned my car radio to 940. At first I didn't hear any beat, but then it faded in and was quite loud. On

[time-nuts] Cambrideg Thermionics & Freq Measurements...

2011-10-14 Thread Burt I. Weiner
Les, I do sort of remember Cambridge Thermionics. I came across their name back in the late 60's or early 70's when I first got in the frequency measurement "business". I think I also remember seeing their name as a parts supplier in some WW-2 military radio manuals. Burt From: "Lester V

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPiB LAN & 7470 printing problem

2011-10-14 Thread John Miles
> Hi group, > just got a Prologix LAN interface and tried to get some > printouts from my Anritsu MS6804A but it didnt works. > Phase Noise & Spectrum Surveillance prgs works fine > but 7470.exe allways tells me "communication error 0x02" > when I request a plot. > Communication to the Anritsu work

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV using TBolt-Tic tester

2011-10-14 Thread ws at Yahoo
Tbolt Nuts Something I see on Ed's "SAS" antenna plot that my be of interest to others. Antenna vew looks pretty good for the most part (besides the Noth blockage) but there are several small 5 to 10 db nulls in the middle of otherwise strong signals, especially facing south. One thing that can

Re: [time-nuts] AM Broadcast Stations As Frequency...

2011-10-14 Thread lists
Even if you could, the referenced would be no better than the GPS. -Original Message- From: "Burt I. Weiner" Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:16:59 To: Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] AM Broadcast

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV using TBolt-Tic tester

2011-10-14 Thread ws at Yahoo
Ed That is a great LH plot, AND Tbolt setup. Noise is about the same as I'm seeing. Can also use this setup to see if the Tbolt location is set correctly by doing a longer plot that includes many satellites changes and see what the peak noise spikes are. One little minor thing you missed tha

[time-nuts] AM Broadcast Stations As Frequency...

2011-10-14 Thread Burt I. Weiner
I don't see any practical way to do that. There are so many variables and it's such a dynamic problem. Burt Subject: Re: [time-nuts] AM Broadcast Stations As Frequency Would it be possible to use some form of SDR and massive but clever data processing to derive a standard frequency referenc

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58516A

2011-10-14 Thread J. L. Trantham
Don't destroy it! It's very useful. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gottlieb Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 3:06 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] HP 58516A I pi

[time-nuts] Prologix GPiB LAN & 7470 printing problem

2011-10-14 Thread Peter Krengel
Hi group, just got a Prologix LAN interface and tried to get some printouts from my Anritsu MS6804A but it didnt works. Phase Noise & Spectrum Surveillance prgs works fine but 7470.exe allways tells me "communication error 0x02" when I request a plot. Communication to the Anritsu works cause it be

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58516A

2011-10-14 Thread paul swed
Peter will be in the mud tomorrow at hoss traders Yup the guts would be handy indeed. So would the box. Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: > I picked up a HP 58516A GPS L1 Distribution amplifier at NEARfest really > for the box but it occurred to me it might be so

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV using TBolt-Tic tester

2011-10-14 Thread Azelio Boriani
Oh my, you're absolutely right... I've totally missed out those few lines! Now I understand. I apologize and go immediately to search for a Tbolt. A similar design is the ConnorWinfield/NavSync FTS125 but instead of disciplining an OCXO they use a 20MHz fixed OCXO (without EFC) to drive the GPS eng

[time-nuts] HP 58516A

2011-10-14 Thread Peter Gottlieb
I picked up a HP 58516A GPS L1 Distribution amplifier at NEARfest really for the box but it occurred to me it might be something useful. It looks unused. Anyone have any interest before I gut it? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To un

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV using TBolt-Tic tester

2011-10-14 Thread bg
Azelio, > Oh, yes, you're right. 100pS is the noise. Very interesting in this case: > how this high resolution is obtained (excluding averaging, the real > hardware > resolution)? Analog interpolators? Wave union TDC? Vernier delay lines? I > haven't found any reference in the internet... There i

Re: [time-nuts] AM Broadcast stations as a frequency reference...

2011-10-14 Thread Connie Marshall
I have not checked these in the last few months, but might be worth a listen. http://k5cm.com/AM%20BR0ADCAST%20STATIONS.htm 73 Connie, K5CM Connie's iPhone On Oct 14, 2011, at 7:22 AM, paul swed wrote: > Thank you now I have some closer targets to look at. > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:51 P

Re: [time-nuts] AM Broadcast Stations As Frequency Reference...

2011-10-14 Thread paul swed
Boy Tom it would be interesting but I think I hear the $$ ringing up. SDR= $$ Humor aside. Yesterday was a great example of why wwvb does not fair well in the eastern US. >From about 10am-8pm the signal was right at the noise floor. I thought I lost my pre-amp. Then went to the wwvb site and the mo

Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-14 Thread paul swed
It could be 10 watts or as I suggest 100 or more. Depends on the range you want to cover and what you can afford. Thats why the AM broadcast stations are attractive, the infrastructure and power consumptions being taken care of in the normal course of the business. Granted the CS ref and its power

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV using TBolt-Tic tester

2011-10-14 Thread WarrenS
Tom Thanks for the Tbolt vs. H-maser data log, That's great data showing how good GPS can be out to 200,000 sec with SA off. Your data showing a little under 5e-14 at 1 day, makes a very good reference point to remember. Any guess when your plot would flattens out or turn around? It is also

Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 13/10/11 02:42, Dan Mills wrote: On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 02:11 +0200, Magnus Danielson wrote: I have wondered if not amateurs could set up small frequency broadcasts of their own. Say a 10 W transmitter or something. It's called a beacon and at least the UK license does allow them (25W maxim

Re: [time-nuts] AM Broadcast Stations As Frequency Reference...

2011-10-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
Would it be possible to use some form of SDR and massive but clever data processing to derive a standard frequency reference from *all* the AM stations simultaneously? With post-processing you could identify each station's weighted contribution to the ensemble, for better or worse, as well as plot

[time-nuts] AM Broadcast Stations As Frequency Reference...

2011-10-14 Thread Burt I. Weiner
The three I mentioned: KFWB 980, KNX 1070, and KDIS 1110 are usually well within 1 mHz when operating on their GPS referenced exciters. Do not be fooled by thinking that just because a station is operating in the IBOC digital mode that they will be GPS referenced. As I mentioned before, not a

Re: [time-nuts] AM Broadcast stations as a frequency reference...

2011-10-14 Thread paul swed
Thank you now I have some closer targets to look at. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz < charles_steinm...@lavabit.com> wrote: > Paul wrote: > > Curious if anyone knows of central or eastern US stations that would be >> gps locked. >> > > I believe the following are: > > 710