[time-nuts] Solar Storm Effects?

2012-03-08 Thread J. Forster
The media is reporting a large solar storm and saying it will upset GPS among other things. Has anybody see any effects? -John === ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Solar Storm Effects?

2012-03-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 3/8/2012 10:08 AM, J. Forster wrote: The media is reporting a large solar storm and saying it will upset GPS among other things. Has anybody see any effects? I won't be able to look at the data until I get home from work tonight, but last evening I started measuring the sawtooth-corrected

Re: [time-nuts] Solar Storm Effects?

2012-03-08 Thread ALAN MELIA
From the look of it to me it is a non-event it looks like it bounced off and didnt reconnect. there is little increase in the ring current i.e. the charge in the van Allen belt according to the Dst index 1500z today..yesterdays event was bigger from that point of view Alan G3NYK --- On

[time-nuts] WWVB and solar flare

2012-03-08 Thread Jim Hickstein
My Spectracom 8170 WWVB receiver hasn't locked up since yesterday sometime. It was a bit flakey before, but at least one other WWVB clock in the house is also struggling (the others don't give a clear indication), so I'm thinking of blaming the solar flare. Does this affect LF especially?

Re: [time-nuts] Loran in the US

2012-03-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If they are backing up GPS for telcom, then CDMA timing is the most likely target. That gets them to 10 us max and 1 us typical. Of course somebody would have to buy the gear to actually *use* it to do any good... (yes I could and have gone on and on about that topic). Bob -Original

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB and solar flare

2012-03-08 Thread Brent Gordon
There are three things going on with WWVB right now 1. They are testing a new data format: http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/wwvb.cfm 2. They had an outage for about an hour earlier today: http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/wwvb-station-outages.cfm 3. There are reception failures at

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB and solar flare

2012-03-08 Thread J. Forster
In Boston, WWVB is often very noisy. When I compared the received signal to a local standard, some days it'd be rock solid. Other days it's a dog's breakfast. In fact, it would change dramatically around a weather front passage too. I'd think so. -John = My Spectracom 8170

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB and solar flare

2012-03-08 Thread Jim Hickstein
On 2012/03/08 11:17, Brent Gordon wrote: There are three things going on with WWVB right now 1. They are testing a new data format: http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/wwvb.cfm 2. They had an outage for about an hour earlier today: http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/wwvb-station-outages.cfm

Re: [time-nuts] Loran in the US

2012-03-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message d20d95b53d5c40f5aca05df98fdb9...@vectron.com, Bob Camp writes: If they are backing up GPS for telcom, then CDMA timing is the most likely target. That gets them to 10 us max and 1 us typical. Of course somebody would have to buy the gear to actually *use* it to do any good... (yes I

Re: [time-nuts] Loran in the US

2012-03-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Should be *very* interesting to watch if they try to legislate something like that... Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 5:10 PM To: Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] Loran in the US

2012-03-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/08/2012 11:21 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Should be *very* interesting to watch if they try to legislate something like that... Indeed. There are different telecom needs. CDMA isn't everything. SDH/SONET goes under G.811, meaning within 1E-11 in frequency. GSM should be within +/- 50 ppb,

Re: [time-nuts] Loran in the US

2012-03-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi SDH/SONET generally is line timed rather than GPS locked. It's ultimate authority is the Stratum 1 above it... With CDMA framing, GPS time is actually the ultimate authority. With GSM (as with the CDMA carrier frequency) a free running oscillator is generally good enough. Bob On Mar 8,

Re: [time-nuts] Loran in the US

2012-03-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/09/2012 12:16 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi SDH/SONET generally is line timed rather than GPS locked. It's ultimate authority is the Stratum 1 above it... Yes, but GPS/LORAN can be used to build holdover synchronisation, and verify the local cesiums. Stratum 1 is the ANSI T1.101 name, also

Re: [time-nuts] Loran in the US

2012-03-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Indeed, you *can* use GPS for a lot of things. You pretty much *must* use it for CDMA. Bob On Mar 8, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 03/09/2012 12:16 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi SDH/SONET generally is line timed rather than GPS locked. It's

Re: [time-nuts] Loran in the US

2012-03-08 Thread Dennis Ferguson
On 8 Mar, 2012, at 02:58 , Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Has anybody asked them how good timefreq they're trying to deliver ? I would assume that they are aiming for a backup for GPS in telecom-GPSDO context. If so, frequency stability is priority number one and time is probably just better

Re: [time-nuts] Solar Storm Effects?

2012-03-08 Thread Mark Spencer
Over last day and a half I've been comparing the 10Mhz output of my Jupiter based GPSDO (actually a G3RUH GPSDO) to a BVA OCXO. So far I don't see anything un expected. That being said I recognize that it would take a fairly significant disruption in the GPS signal for the affects to be

[time-nuts] Possible replacement for FE5680A

2012-03-08 Thread Roger Costello
I noticed this which could potentially be a very good thing. https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science/nuclear-clock-may-keep-time-universe Apologies for the long period watching on the sidelines but I have been learning a lot. Regards, Roger ___