Re: [time-nuts] Improving performance of a GPS antenna...?

2012-04-04 Thread Joseph Gray
You could cut up a military surplus RF blanket :-) For those who don't know, you cover the radome of an aircraft with this when the radar is transmitting, so you don't cook anyone nearby. I never knew how effective it was, but I didn't walk in front of the aircraft, just to be safe. Joe Gray W5JG

Re: [time-nuts] Improving performance of a GPS antenna...?

2012-04-04 Thread Robert Berg
You can get inexpensive conductive foam from Amazon. On 4/4/2012 5:53 AM, Michael Baker wrote: Hello, Time-Nutters-- I saw a rather expensive GPS antenna made by one of the big-name GPS survey equipment mfgrs that was mounted on top of a 12 or 15 inch diameter disc about 3/4 inch thick. Turns

Re: [time-nuts] Improving performance of a GPS antenna...?

2012-04-04 Thread Azelio Boriani
So it can be done: try to emulate the Zephyr GPS antenna with the RF absorber. On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Robert Berg bo...@pobox.com wrote: You can get inexpensive conductive foam from Amazon. On 4/4/2012 5:53 AM, Michael Baker wrote: Hello, Time-Nutters-- I saw a rather expensive

Re: [time-nuts] Improving performance of a GPS antenna...?

2012-04-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/4/12 6:56 AM, Robert Berg wrote: You can get inexpensive conductive foam from Amazon. Not all conductive foam works as a decent RF absorber. If the conductivity isn't well matched to 377 ohms, then the RF reflects right off of it. The black foam that ICs used to come in is a good

Re: [time-nuts] Improving performance of a GPS antenna...?

2012-04-04 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
If foliage does such a number on GPS signals, just fill a big garbage bag with yard debris and set the antenna in the middle of that. On 04/04/2012 05:53 AM, Michael Baker wrote: Hello, Time-Nutters-- I saw a rather expensive GPS antenna made by one of the big-name GPS survey equipment mfgrs

Re: [time-nuts] Improving performance of a GPS antenna...?

2012-04-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/4/12 7:35 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: If foliage does such a number on GPS signals, just fill a big garbage bag with yard debris and set the antenna in the middle of that. *wet* yard debris.. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

[time-nuts] more GPS antenna stuff

2012-04-04 Thread Jim Lux
A google of helibowl GPS turns up dozens.. But here's a reference that might be useful to the tinkerer: M ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

[time-nuts] GPS antennas

2012-04-04 Thread Jim Lux
Oops hit send accidentally.. Charles Counselman, Multipath-Rejecting GPS antennas, IEEE Proceedings, V87, #1, Jan 1999, pp 86-91 The antenna in the paper is one approach, but of more interest are the references.. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Improving performance of a GPS antenna...?

2012-04-04 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Mike: I used military surplus radar absorbing material to stop reflections on a satellite antenna by applying it to the rain gutter, see: http://www.prc68.com/I/Images/SB_angw.jpg A sheet of this stuff about 4 x 6 feet weighed maybe 40 pounds. An easy way to confirm it works is to use it

[time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Mike S
I asked this on an NTP list, got some guesses, but no knowledgeable responses. I've got a Trimble Thunderbolt PPS source for NTP, Linux 2.6.35, on a quad core CPU. PPS source is coming into a multiport serial card, which /proc/interrupts shows is sharing IRQ with some inactive USB ports (IRQ

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Eric Williams
Could the CPU be reducing its clock rate when it's not being loaded? Just a guess, most multi-core processors these days have power saving features like that. -- eric On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: I asked this on an NTP list, got some guesses, but no

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Randall Prentice
I found that the AMD processors change CPU frequency with load and this seemed to upset any NTP calculations. In the end I went to Intel CPU (Mutter mutter). Regards Randall -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mike S

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread gary
That is the AMD speed step, but doesn't intel do the same thing? Incidentally, there are hacks for linux to make it more real time, i.e. lower latency. I never messed with them, but you find this mentioned related to multimedia oriented distributions. On 4/4/2012 3:53 PM, Randall Prentice

Re: [time-nuts] Improving performance of a GPS antenna...?

2012-04-04 Thread Bill Hawkins
My first job was in a blasting cap plant in 1960. Raw materials and finished product were kept in earthen bunkers separated by a distance that would prevent an explosion in one from propagating (the distances were found by experience). Tall, grounded masts were spaced among the bunkers to prevent

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Randall Prentice
The INTEL HRET (High Resolution blagh Timer) seemed to work whereas the AMD equivalent didn't seem to fix the problem. Note: this was older AMD ATHLON processors, they may have fixed this by now. Regards Randall -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Mike S
On 4/4/2012 6:51 PM, Eric Williams wrote: Could the CPU be reducing its clock rate when it's not being loaded? Just a guess, most multi-core processors these days have power saving features like that. On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Mike Smi...@flatsurface.com wrote: I've played around

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Javier Herrero
El 05/04/2012 00:58, gary escribió: That is the AMD speed step, but doesn't intel do the same thing? I suppose so. In any case, under Linux you can force off the speed step (i.e. force the CPU to a fixed clock). I did that some time ago in a Dell server with a dual quad-core Opteron with

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Dennis Ferguson
On 4 Apr, 2012, at 16:10 , Mike S wrote: On 4/4/2012 6:51 PM, Eric Williams wrote: Could the CPU be reducing its clock rate when it's not being loaded? Just a guess, most multi-core processors these days have power saving features like that. On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Mike

Re: [time-nuts] Improving performance of a GPS antenna...?

2012-04-04 Thread Morris Odell
Hi all, While we're on this subject, I have a related question. I recently bought one of those cone shaped Lucent GPS timing antennas from a vendor in China. I'm using it for one of my GPS controlled clocks which contains a 6 channel Oncore VP receiver and is on the end of about 15 feet of

Re: [time-nuts] Improving performance of a GPS antenna...?

2012-04-04 Thread lists
I mounted the antenna on a small Al plate about 10 X 20 cm attached to a balcony rail 3 stories from the ground with a clear view of about 75% of the sky. I would have expected that the receiver would see quite a few satellites, a similar arrangement with a magnetic puck antenna regularly sees up

[time-nuts] Do you know the correct time?

2012-04-04 Thread jerryfi
I thought many of you would be interested in this article : http://www.devmonkey.edn.com/blog/jon-titus-blog/how-do-you-know-correct-time?cid=Newsletter+-+EDN+on+Development+Tools ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Mike S
On 4/4/2012 10:41 PM, Steve . wrote: breaking the 1pps down as far as 10micro seconds,The most obviously problem is that you are trying to use an inaccurate clock source(the pc) Your reply ignores the simple fact that it _does_ track within a couple of microseconds, as long as the processor

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Steve .
It doesn't matter how fast the CPU clock rate is because you are not dealing with a simple rate monotonicity. There are far too many inconstancies in a PC to properly apply simple O(n) algorithms. Your reply ignores the simple fact that it _does_ track within a couple of microseconds, as long as

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread gary
I built a small form factor PC using the Intel D525. http://ark.intel.com/products/49490/Intel-Atom-processor-D525-%281M-Cache-1_80-GHz%29 If you look at the features (or lack thereof!), it lacks turbo boost and enhanced Intel Speed Step technology. So you may not have to resort to using a

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Steve .
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:17 AM, gary li...@lazygranch.com wrote: I built a small form factor PC using the Intel D525. http://ark.intel.com/products/49490/Intel-Atom-processor-D525-%281M-Cache-1_80-GHz%29 If you look at the features (or lack thereof!), it lacks turbo boost and enhanced

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:17 PM, gary li...@lazygranch.com wrote: I built a small form factor PC using the Intel D525. http://ark.intel.com/products/49490/Intel-Atom-processor-D525-%281M-Cache-1_80-GHz%29 I did the same thing. They work well and even if you have a free quad core PC in a

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread gary
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131663 Yep. This is what I run 24 and 7 for a number of monitoring tasks. It has an Intel SSD. Mobo was $140 at Fry's. SSD was a Fry's special too. It has a Nvidia ion2 (it does home theater PC streaming at times.] USB 3. Gigabit

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Steve . iteratio...@gmail.com wrote: If the architecture has cache or wait states, it is still subject to be a moving target. I'm naturally skeptical on all architectures that have multiple channels, show me an architecture with cache or waits states and i'll

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread MailLists
As a rule of thumb, any general purpose architecture will be less effective at a specific task than a specially designed one. That applies more and more to the modern way of solving tasks: software. The PC is one of the classical examples of GPA, and as such it is best to know its limitations,

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Gmail
Indeed, I'm looking forward to getting a few raspberry pis to play with. NTP is but one of the interesting time related projects possible with a $35(us) Linux platform. The system has a number of i/o pins directly exposed that will make interfacing interesting. On a side note, speaking of