Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-26 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Chris writes: For most users I think that is reasonable. It's just not what one expects to read on a Time Nuts list. Here we expect to see posting from true nut-cases who want microsecond just because they can do it. But how can you verify microsecond accuracy on Windows? Even the OS only

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: I think you can get Windows to run at the few milliseconds of error range with the standard NTP distribution. I don't think I've seen anything that bad, but it's easy to be off by 100s

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Anthony G. Atkielski anth...@atkielski.com wrote: Chris writes: For most users I think that is reasonable. It's just not what one expects to read on a Time Nuts list. Here we expect to see posting from true nut-cases who want microsecond just because they

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-26 Thread David J Taylor
From: Anthony G. Atkielski [] I've been using the standard NTP client in Windows XP for ages, and it works just fine. I tried third-party stuff. It was just more work for no apparent gain. The XP desktop is synchronized with my NTP server perfectly within the limits of my perception, so there is

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-26 Thread David J Taylor
From: Anthony G. Atkielski [] But how can you verify microsecond accuracy on Windows? Even the OS only has 10 ms resolution for the system clock. [] Anthony === Anthony, I appreciate that your needs don't include accurate PC time, but for the record

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-26 Thread David
On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 05:05:26 +0100, Anthony G. Atkielski anth...@atkielski.com wrote: Dan (I think) writes: Because, up until today, windows time did what I needed it to do. It may still, if the fault turns out to be network related. In reality, it's more software to learn to administer, and

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-26 Thread Hal Murray
davidwh...@gmail.com said: I have had trouble with the built in XP NTP client where it fails silently so I usually install Tardis which keeps an easy to read log which includes performance data. One of the problems with timekeeping is the load on the servers. The standard ntpd package tries

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera

2013-03-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One very important thing to consider when looking at this design - it was done in the era of selective availability. That provided a lot dither all by it's self. Bob On Mar 25, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Richard H McCorkle mccor...@ptialaska.net wrote: Bob, You are preaching to the choir and

Re: [time-nuts] Metastability (was Brooks Shera)

2013-03-26 Thread Javier Serrano
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: Both edges of the 24MHz clock gating pulse are asynchronous with respect to the signal being gated. Metastability can result with clock pulse widths that lie within a critical range. Bruce I don't disagree with your

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: davidwh...@gmail.com said: I have had trouble with the built in XP NTP client where it fails silently so I usually install Tardis which keeps an easy to read log which includes performance data. One of the problems

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-26 Thread lists
I think using satellite Dave's plot routines is the way to tweak NTP. If you update too often, you can see the disturbance. This isn't a scientific solution, but a practical one. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Are there any rubidiums programmahttps://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inboxble to 40 MHz?

2013-03-26 Thread Stan, W1LE
I should of been clearer, Thanks for your comments. final configuration is: OCXO as a 10 MHz reference to the 106.5 MHz PLL then the DB6NT multiplier chain for the LO. All of the stability I need for a contest weekend. Stan, W1LE On 3/26/2013 1:21 AM, Rex wrote: Please tell us if I am

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-26 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 3/26/2013 2:43 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: I think you can get Windows to run at the few milliseconds of error range with the standard NTP distribution. I don't think I've seen anything that bad, but it's easy to be off by 100s of ms if I download

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-26 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 3/26/2013 7:21 PM, Dan Kemppainen wrote: Keep in mind, we are after all, taking about windows. An operating system that IS NOT real time operating system. (You think it is, try move a continuous stream of a few 6+ MBytes/Sec data to it!) Well, the Perseus SDR, when set to its maximum

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-26 Thread Hal Murray
within network latency of around a second or so A second is a long time/distance for a packet. The measured round trip time from California to Maine is under 100 ms. Sanity check: The US is 3000 miles east-west. A mile is 5000 feet. The speed of light is 1 ft/ns in vacuum. So that's

Re: [time-nuts] Are there any rubidiums programmahttps://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inboxble to 40 MHz?

2013-03-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi All the stability and likely 20 to 30 db better phase noise. Probably 40 to 60 db better spurs / crud. Bob On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: I should of been clearer, Thanks for your comments. final configuration is: OCXO as a 10 MHz reference to

Re: [time-nuts] Metastability (was Brooks Shera)

2013-03-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The worst case (this time) are errors in the bottom 5 bits. The software will treat them as valid data. That assumes things stay simple. You are looking a counter that wraps around a lot of times…. Bob On Mar 26, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Javier Serrano javier.serrano.par...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-26 Thread David I. Emery
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 07:39:51PM +0100, Alberto di Bene wrote: On 3/26/2013 7:21 PM, Dan Kemppainen wrote: Keep in mind, we are after all, taking about windows. An operating system that IS NOT real time operating system. (You think it is, try move a continuous stream of a few 6+ MBytes/Sec

[time-nuts] Rubidiums vs ocxo's vis a vis amateur radio

2013-03-26 Thread Mark Spencer
Just to add to to this, I recently had a partial power outage and one of my better OCXO's (a Datum 1000) lost power for a day or so. After being powered back up for approx 24 hours the frequency error was well under one part per billion. This is more than accurate enough for any of my